Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum - Reply to Topic
 
Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum  

Go Back   Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum > Brand Specific Tech > Jeep - Non Hardcore > Project: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing. YJ Stretch
Notices

Thread: Project: I Have No Idea What I'm Doing. YJ Stretch Reply to Thread
Title:
  
Message:
Trackback:
Send Trackbacks to (Separate multiple URLs with spaces) :
Post Icons
You may choose an icon for your message from the following list:
 

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

** A VERIFICATION EMAIL IS SENT TO THIS ADDRESS TO COMPLETE REGISTRATION!! **

Email Address:
Insurance
Please select your insurance company (Optional)

Log-in


Additional Options
Miscellaneous Options

Topic Review (Newest First)
Yesterday 09:54 AM
rockwood I've also cut some 1"x1/4" DOM about 4-5" long, put a 7" long 1/2" nut/bolt to clamp it, then stuck it in my drill press and hit it with an angle grinder to taper either end (then cut in half) to make shock bosses. Lathe? Fuck that: $59.99 HF drill press dawg.
Yesterday 09:08 AM
rockwood
Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Johnson View Post
Do they make ones that go wider than 1.5"?
Get some 3/4"x1/8" wall tube and do whatever makes you giggle.
Yesterday 08:00 AM
Harry Johnson
Quote:
Originally Posted by rockwood View Post
If it's binding on the tabs like it appears to be: wider spacers will help.
Do they make ones that go wider than 1.5"?
Yesterday 07:31 AM
rockwood If it's binding on the tabs like it appears to be: wider spacers will help.
04-01-2020 01:44 PM
Harry Johnson I should have just done trailing arms. So much room in front of the axle, and then I could have been in the cool kid motion ratio club. Ah well, this way is probably better for my bank account.
04-01-2020 01:17 PM
slobrorunner Been there done that.

I like to match the bolt direction top and bottom personally, but the way you have it should work when setup right.

2.5s are hard to fit outboard like that just in general I think.
04-01-2020 01:14 PM
Harry Johnson
Quote:
Originally Posted by slobrorunner View Post
Even if the shaft wasn't getting bent, wouldn't your spring contact the tower pretty hard or is it just the view from the photo?
yep, way too far inboard to actually work. I think the main issue is that I was drinking lots of beer when I did the driver's side and was super worried about spring clearance to the caliper, so I didn't even bother to look at the shock tower. Then yesterday I copied what I did to the passenger side.
04-01-2020 12:51 PM
slobrorunner
Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Johnson View Post
wuh oh:

Even if the shaft wasn't getting bent, wouldn't your spring contact the tower pretty hard or is it just the view from the photo?
04-01-2020 12:12 PM
BDK
Quote:
Originally Posted by gt1guy View Post
Your mounts don't have to be level (the bolt horizontal) at ride height. Rod ends don't care what angle they're at, as long as they're not in a bind.

You could knock those mounts loose, flex it out and tack the droop side mount on so it's just before it binds. Do same on other side. Make sure it isn't binding at full stuff flexed.

If you don't get anymore binding, then the angle it sits at at ride height is it's "happy place".

That said, if they were rotated 90*, they would do a better job of dealing with the misalignment from flex.
What he said.

As far as getting the back half frame straight, you couldn't do worse than OEM. On my 1994 Explorer frame rails, the passenger side is almost 1" higher than driver side. Ford says that's within specifications. When I did the SAS, I got the coil over mounts where I thought they were even without anything flat and level to go off of (uneven frame rails, uneven body mounts, uneven concrete, etc.). I was very close, but have to adjust passenger side coil over spring 1/4" lower than the driver side to get it to sit level. When I redid the rear shock mounts for the 3rd time the passenger side of the cross member is 1" shorter than the driver side in order to get the shocks to have the same travel side to side.
04-01-2020 10:18 AM
gt1guy Your mounts don't have to be level (the bolt horizontal) at ride height. Rod ends don't care what angle they're at, as long as they're not in a bind.

You could knock those mounts loose, flex it out and tack the droop side mount on so it's just before it binds. Do same on other side. Make sure it isn't binding at full stuff flexed.

If you don't get anymore binding, then the angle it sits at at ride height is it's "happy place".

That said, if they were rotated 90*, they would do a better job of dealing with the misalignment from flex.
04-01-2020 09:54 AM
Harry Johnson wuh oh:


Yep, when I tacked on my lower shock brackets, I thought I was being smart by adding a little extra space between those brackets and my calipers. Turns out I moved my shock tabs too far inboard on the axle and the droop side shock binds at not even full flex.

My hope is to move those brackets more outboard on the axle and re-test.



The other option would be to flip the bracket so the shock pivots side-to-side rather than front to back, but I have a little bit of rotation front to back as well, so I don't want to have the same issue on a different axis:


Supposed to rain this weekend, but now that she's rolling around under her own weight, maybe I can clean out that side of the garage and get that done inside for once.
04-01-2020 09:47 AM
Harry Johnson So the state of California celebrates Cesar Chavez day, so being a state worker, I had yesterday off. I took the chance to get the other side done.

After a short side trip into trying to figure out how to make sure both towers were going to be the same height and angle even though I don't trust that I made the back of my frame straight or that my driveway is level, I got it worked out by just measuring the angle off of the non-molested part of the frame by my upper link mount and then aligning the shocks to that. I was also worried that I was going to get the height wrong, so for that, I measured the distance from axle to base of the shock tower on both sides at full droop.



After that everything went fast. One thing led to another and it was sitting on its own weight again!


It's sitting rear high, since obviously spring rates were calculated with gas tank, cage, seats, bumper, spare tire, cooler, ect. installed.




Next up I pulled the springs so I could do a clearance at full bump and flexed. Full bump looked good after I added some clearance for my axle side upper link bracket:








Next up was a flexing it out. I didn't get to full stuff before I realized there was a problem. Can you guys see what it is?
03-30-2020 01:11 PM
Harry Johnson
Quote:
Originally Posted by the freeak View Post
uh, you left a little frame rail on the inside... might as well cut that off and back half it.
The only thing stopping me is that I want to run my genright tank back there, so I would just end up making my back half an exact replica of the stock rails.

I was complaining to my buddy with a JK about having to hack up the frame. He was like "Bitch please" and sent me this:

03-30-2020 11:34 AM
the freeak uh, you left a little frame rail on the inside... might as well cut that off and back half it.
03-30-2020 11:34 AM
Harry Johnson After that, I took the shock tower and jammed that puppy back into the hole. Little banging with my favorite tool and then some clamps and viola!


Tacked her in and hung the shock:




After that, I set it to the desired full droop distance, bolted the axle side shock tabs to the coilover and tacked it on:


Finished shot of driver's side at full droop:


Clearance is much better frenched in:


Unfortunately, that's all I got to do this weekend. Spent the rest of the weekend getting in some outdoor time with the kiddo.
03-30-2020 11:30 AM
Harry Johnson Well, I got back at it this weekend. So in classic I Have No Idea What I'm Doing fashion, I ordered some shock towers for my coilovers that I thought would work, realized they stuck out too far. Stubbornly decided I wasn't going to cut the frame... and then ordered some shock towers to cut the frame up and french in.

I left a note to remind past self that present self disapproves of his ideas:


First thing's first. Aparently a Beer Santa exists during California Shelter In Place Protocol and this showed up on my porch:


Now that we're good a lubricated like a well-oiled machine, the new towers came in and I did some welding to get them ready. Note to anyone still following this- I really shouldn't be allowed to do any welding that isn't a flat t-joint, but it's Corona 2020, so the talent pool was a little limited. Once everything had cooled, I now had to figure out how to actually cut the frame to french these puppies in. They were kinda heavy to just hold up there and trace an outline, so I had to get creative. Searching around my garage, I found a shitty wooden dowel(what could possibly go wrong?):




I went hunting for my paint pen, and luckily for me, it took a while to find it, otherwise, this would have been on my head:


Fine. You want to play rough Mr. Shock Tower? I've had beer and I own a welder:

What now bitch?

Unfortunately, the hanging angle of the tower was not desirable, so I had to modify it. Much better:




Some of you may be thinking that it's sitting pretty high up there for 14" coilovers. You would be correct. I clamped that puppy in place and "adjusted" the height using my favorite hammer:


A little tracing and a little cutoff wheel action later and...

(right where my frame extensions fish plated to the old frame... not sure how that's going to go. Upside- I got to check out the penetration of the welds on the other side. Not bad.)
03-28-2020 07:56 PM
Mattafact Bump. Done yet?
03-18-2020 01:53 PM
rockwood
Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Johnson View Post
Have they dropped that one on San Diego county as well?

My parents haven't said anything about it, but they're old and don't get out much, so they might not notice even if it was in place.
Not really. Just banned dine in restaurants and bars. We're heading out to the sandbox soon if that happens. Might as well shelter somewhere I can have fun. Netflix and pornhub only go so far...
03-18-2020 01:25 PM
Harry Johnson
Quote:
Originally Posted by rockwood View Post
SHELTER IN PLACE!

What if I don't like the place I'm sheltering in?
Have they dropped that one on San Diego county as well?

My parents haven't said anything about it, but they're old and don't get out much, so they might not notice even if it was in place.
03-18-2020 01:21 PM
rockwood
Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Johnson View Post
As long as UPS is still considered an "essential service" in my area, it looks like I'll have something to work on while I "shelter in place"

SHELTER IN PLACE!

What if I don't like the place I'm sheltering in?
03-18-2020 09:27 AM
Harry Johnson As long as UPS is still considered an "essential service" in my area, it looks like I'll have something to work on while I "shelter in place"

03-17-2020 10:45 AM
Harry Johnson
Quote:
Originally Posted by rockwood View Post
Can you put shorter tabs on that tower and surrender (french) it in below that?


If my new towers don't show up due to coronavirus, that might be my new quarantine project... That is if I ever get told to go home.
03-17-2020 10:34 AM
rockwood Can you put shorter tabs on that tower and surrender (french) it in below that?
03-17-2020 10:24 AM
gt1guy
Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Johnson View Post
It could happen, but it would be a bit too far forward compared to where I wanted to land my c-pillar. Had also planned to mount my cage to the frame using poly bushings and something tells me sending all the rear suspension hits through that would be a bad decision.
Don't pretty much all factory shocks use rubber bushings in them? That's really no different than connecting a coilover to a cage that's bushed to the frame. Cage tie-in bushings are much beefier than what's sitting in a factory shock.
03-17-2020 08:02 AM
Harry Johnson
Quote:
Originally Posted by the freeak View Post
CLUTCH! FUCK YEAH.


OP- Why not move the shock to the front of the axle, and build a flat plate on the top of the LCA bracket; then land the shock on the LCA bracket?

This is a front example, but here...
I like that idea. Probably still going to french into the frame to make sure I have tire clearance at full stuff.
This thread has more than 25 replies. Click here to review the whole thread.

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 02:58 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.