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07-24-2004 07:56 PM
onetonwillysands10
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeaBass44
did you read any of page 2? he built the 60, this post is 2.5 years old, as stated yesterday in this post

Ummmm. I realize it was 2.5 years ago...I just couldn't miss a oppurtunity to harass David and his never ending projects..
07-24-2004 03:13 PM
SeaBass44
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Originally Posted by Haole
This is the intarw3b. Time doesn't exist.
I wish you didn't exist
07-24-2004 01:28 PM
Haole
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeaBass44
did you read any of page 2? he built the 60, this post is 2.5 years old, as stated yesterday in this post

This is the intarw3b. Time doesn't exist.
07-24-2004 01:06 PM
DRM
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Originally Posted by Dan Dibble
word. David do what you have to to get it on the trail.

I need a east side connection

Dan
It's only been "played with" at some local playgrounds - no real trail action yet
07-24-2004 07:33 AM
SeaBass44
Quote:
Originally Posted by onetonwillysands10
David,
I would suggest building the 60 and skipping your 44 in the front. The only way that 44 will live is if you build it with CTM joints and 4340 shafts. Then you still have weaker everything else for a small weight loss and close to the same expense.What little weight your loosing you are gaining back by building a link set-up and using heavy leaf spring packs...If you don't want to mess with coil overs then use regular coil springs...Heck grand cherokee coils weigh in right at 8 pounds a spring..
I have watched a toyota with a wore out 22r break a dana 60 front shaft with only 38.5s....So don't fool yourself into thinking that "regular" 44 will suffice...Well I guess it might since garage wheeling probably iwon't be to tough on it
did you read any of page 2? he built the 60, this post is 2.5 years old, as stated yesterday in this post
07-24-2004 04:46 AM
onetonwillysands10 David,
I would suggest building the 60 and skipping your 44 in the front. The only way that 44 will live is if you build it with CTM joints and 4340 shafts. Then you still have weaker everything else for a small weight loss and close to the same expense.What little weight your loosing you are gaining back by building a link set-up and using heavy leaf spring packs...If you don't want to mess with coil overs then use regular coil springs...Heck grand cherokee coils weigh in right at 8 pounds a spring..
I have watched a toyota with a wore out 22r break a dana 60 front shaft with only 38.5s....So don't fool yourself into thinking that "regular" 44 will suffice...Well I guess it might since garage wheeling probably iwon't be to tough on it
07-24-2004 03:44 AM
Dan Dibble
Quote:
Originally Posted by crashinaz
Yeah, and DRM's rig still isn't on the trail...

word. David do what you have to to get it on the trail.

I need a east side connection

Dan
07-24-2004 03:15 AM
crashinaz
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcstiff
FYI, it has been 2.5 years since this topic was last touched.
Yeah, and DRM's rig still isn't on the trail...
07-24-2004 01:58 AM
el ranger loco
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcstiff
FYI, it has been 2.5 years since this topic was last touched.

07-24-2004 01:37 AM
Mcstiff FYI, it has been 2.5 years since this topic was last touched.
07-24-2004 12:59 AM
cr244
sell front 60

Hello, I'm down in ALABAMA if you sell your 60 I would like to try and buy it if you would PLEASE email me or page me and i'll call you back [email protected] and pager# 334-704-1957
12-01-2001 10:48 PM
SNORTclown
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Originally posted by techguru73 touche to the dumb comment of the day!

With the money steve has he could have build any axle wonder why a nine inch? poss. the ability that you can get a 35 spline pinion try that with your 60 , a third bearing, I really like the comment on the low pinion , you dumda$$ , do you know what a hypoid gearset is the lower the pinion in the housing the more area of tooth contact
And obviously you would want the weight low

why he chose a 9" is because he needed a lower output since he made his portal axels. had he gone any higher his drivline would come in contact with everything if he where to raise the rig up it becomes too top heavy or too tall. Yes I know what a hypoid gearset is. I have set up many sets of gears in the last 10 years.. alot of 9" and toy diffs which are both hypoid. more tooth contact means friction. that is not always good. in alot of cases it weakens since the gear teeth actually slide or corkscrew across eachother. in really deep ratios or alot of high speeds with deep ratios this causes the hardness to leave the gear because of heat which can cause failure of the lubrication. the 9" is much better than a toy diff since it does have the third bearing and larger pinion head so the failure is much lower. But it is still much weaker than a d-60. Proof??? ok The assassin has around 100 to 1 with a 4.3 v-6 and broke pinions off. now the Quagmire from TTC a couple years ago prior to his 2.5 ton rockwell ran a d-60. he broke teeth off of it. but he was running an eaven larger tire. 5 to 600 hp + NOS air time and harsh abuse and finally his 60 broke so he upgraded. After a period of time might I add. Not in one outing.... also he was running a deeper ratio than the assasin's 2. something diff ratio. So Techguru if your such a GURU why are you on this board always asking questions rather than answering them for people?
12-01-2001 11:54 AM
Ironmanx1 There is a guy here where I live that has 60s front and rear.. But he said it was a PAIN... He cut them to fit.. That ment custom axles the 9 yards... As for 9" ford rears for rock crawlin.. I agree.. They are not for it. They are one of the best forDRAG RACIN!! Yes. Go 1 ton.
12-01-2001 11:47 AM
camo [QUOTE]Originally posted by techguru73
[B]
Quote:
Originally posted by SNORTclown


Ahhh .......the dumb comment for the day Yeah those 9" diffs are so strong.. wonder why the assassin broke the pinions on it's axels. and that low pinion output is so TITS! and for your information if you are going to have weight don't you think it would be wise to have it low. Like ballast???

touche to the dumb comment of the day!

With the money steve has he could have build any axle wonder why a nine inch? poss. the ability that you can get a 35 spline pinion try that with your 60 , a third bearing, I really like the comment on the low pinion , you dumda$$ , do you know what a hypoid gearset is the lower the pinion in the housing the more area of tooth contact
And obviously you would want the weight low
dude set down the crack pipe

you can spew all the techno babble you want....fact remains the same. ford 9" sucks for rock crawling.
12-01-2001 10:44 AM
Hypoid Drive [QUOTE]Originally posted by SNORTclown
[B]

Ahhh .......the dumb comment for the day Yeah those 9" diffs are so strong.. wonder why the assassin broke the pinions on it's axels. and that low pinion output is so TITS! and for your information if you are going to have weight don't you think it would be wise to have it low. Like ballast???

touche to the dumb comment of the day!

With the money steve has he could have build any axle wonder why a nine inch? poss. the ability that you can get a 35 spline pinion try that with your 60 , a third bearing, I really like the comment on the low pinion , you dumda$$ , do you know what a hypoid gearset is the lower the pinion in the housing the more area of tooth contact
And obviously you would want the weight low
12-01-2001 10:12 AM
Hypoid Drive
Quote:
Originally posted by camo


30 dana 60's huh? i call bullshit

I say your full fo shit I have had over thirty stansard rotation chevy 60's as well as at least eight ford rr 60

overrated? do you have any idea what you are even talking about?

Id hope so I build more of them than youll own in your life!



exactly what is overrated about a 60? the strength? costly perhaps but not overrated.
12-01-2001 10:10 AM
Belly Dragger Sheez, the 6th post and first contrary to the 44 recommendation was mine and I don't get no credit. Oh well fawkers.
12-01-2001 09:19 AM
DRM
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Originally posted by high5
listen to camo and snort clown. YOU WILL REGRET IT IF YOU SELL IT!!! just finish the 60 and be done with it. there will be no wishing you had. if you need d60 brake caliper brakets give sunray a call. they use 1/2ton brakes on their hybrids so they have caliper brackets. heck they'll be cheap. they just gave me a set when i went up there. put the 60 under it. use a 35spline 60, d70, ford 10.25, or a 14bolt in the rear and be done with it. if you narrow the front 60 3" you'll be at 66" wide and i know alot of d70's came 65" wide so it's an easy swap. do it once and do it right. just my op.

Thanks Brian...

This is a Dodge front 60, so it is 67" wide. Cutting 3" off the long side means I can move one perch and it will bolt under my existing Toyota spring hangers. That puts me @ 64", so you are right, I would need one 63-65" rear 60 to match it.. which I should be able to find. I already have an offset rear J20 60 I considered narrowing the long side of it to match, but I have yet to measure it's width to see what that would work out to.
12-01-2001 09:07 AM
DRM
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Originally posted by SNORTclown
have you recently changed your ways man because the DRM I know is the cheapest bastard on the planet)?
Is it that obvious?


Thanks guys... I think that even if I do get the 44/60 axles, I would hold on to the 60 no matter what....

I keep having this urge to build a full tube play rig some time down the road, and the front 60 is definately perfect for that if no my Toy


I guess I haven't been out on the trail in so long, the though of a quick & easy axle swap had me drooling to get back out there asap....
12-01-2001 02:32 AM
High5 listen to camo and snort clown. YOU WILL REGRET IT IF YOU SELL IT!!! just finish the 60 and be done with it. there will be no wishing you had. if you need d60 brake caliper brakets give sunray a call. they use 1/2ton brakes on their hybrids so they have caliper brackets. heck they'll be cheap. they just gave me a set when i went up there. put the 60 under it. use a 35spline 60, d70, ford 10.25, or a 14bolt in the rear and be done with it. if you narrow the front 60 3" you'll be at 66" wide and i know alot of d70's came 65" wide so it's an easy swap. do it once and do it right. just my op.
12-01-2001 01:35 AM
SNORTclown
Quote:
Originally posted by techguru73
I wanted they are to overrated. The 4x4 market has exploded in the last 2 years and you will and now can buy every piece of a 60 new! But consider the weight I say that a ford 9" housing modified with 3/8"thick 3" o.d. d.o.m. tubbing with 60 inner axles that you can pick up cheap from all the guys that are building r.r. 60 and youve got the strength of a 60 just like sunray has been doing all these years .ARB will be releasing a 35 spline airlocker this spring .

You can build a nine inch ford to any strength level that can be had by a 60 with less weight
Ahhh .......the dumb comment for the day Yeah those 9" diffs are so strong.. wonder why the assassin broke the pinions on it's axels. and that low pinion output is so TITS! and for your information if you are going to have weight don't you think it would be wise to have it low. Like ballast???

Dave if you sell that 60 you will regret it in the long run.. those are like land and will do nothing but go up in price.... So you want to take a shortcut now so you can spend more later and upgrade to it then (have you recently changed your ways man because the DRM I know is the cheapest bastard on the planet)? I have ran both axels. the 60 front was the BEST upgrade yet. Wheeling with the peace of mind that the chance of breakage is very slim and makes wheeling what it use to be. Fun and you don't have trail fixes. A d-44 is good and it's not a question of if it will break but when.. it will only be a matter of time. If you do not have the means a d-44 is a great option but when you have the 60 in your posession you are crazy to let it go.
12-01-2001 01:12 AM
H8monday You may have a point dave.
As was mentioned earlier though, with the low gear ratios many of us are running these days, there are times when I dont even feel the slightest hint of bind or strain before I hear the snap, and send shrappnell everywhere.
With the ease of replacing an axle assembly in d44 its not that bad, if its only occasional, but when it was happening 2 or 3 times a day, it was getting annoying, and expensive.
However since I have been running the new CTM 300m joints, I have not been able to break a joint. Even doing manuevers like starting a one wheel climb with a sharp turn up a rock, (which would normaly grenade a 297X joint almost certainly everytime I try it). I have almost forgotten that I even have a D44 or ever had a U joint problem. I just climb the way I want, and even hammer down when more volume is the only way up.
The fact that they will be unconditionaly lifetime warrantied, has me contemplating buying another set of Warn high strengths, and CTM joints and setting up, a back up set of assemmblies, for when failuire inevetiably occures, at least Ill just need to swap em out and send em back for warranty replacement.
I have been actively searching for a D60 for a halfway decent price, but know Im rethinking if I need one.
12-01-2001 12:49 AM
crash I say definately go wit the 44 dave.. With your driving habits, just weld the joints and i bet ya $$ you will never have an issue with popping joints/axles, even with the 4.3..
11-30-2001 10:15 PM
DRM
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Originally posted by convertiyota


Just out of curiousity, why do the double shackles when you've halfway through a 1/4 elip or coil setup (the hard half, too)??
I want more flex than the standard spring setup, but I see no need for the insane droop of 1/4's or screwing with coi spring rates and costs....

Besides, like you say - I am halfway there... so that means if I wanna change I don't have far to go
11-30-2001 10:09 PM
camo
Quote:
Originally posted by techguru73
I say sell it dave ive had over thirty of them and could have put one in my yota if I wanted they are to overrated
:
30 dana 60's huh? i call bullshit


overrated? do you have any idea what you are even talking about? exactly what is overrated about a 60? the strength? costly perhaps but not overrated.
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