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03-10-2019 12:40 PM
ToyotaJeep AT405 Radial > 4x4 Off Roads! 4x4 Off Roads

Some information here that may be useful. Compared to my old favorites, the Gumbo MM.

Interesting.
03-10-2019 12:35 PM
ToyotaJeep Personally I like this size the best of all I have ran. Tall and wide and works well. Hard to find tires in this size though. My Toyo experiments are not going well here....winter is on the down hill here so I am not worried about it, but I would like to get something better down the road.

Keep us in the loop.
03-09-2019 07:01 PM
weswes01 I was able to find a few sellers who were had 4 piece minimum orders. They all had strange responses though. A few said that the tires were a new design and not ready yet

Even if these tires were being sold under a different name, they are still coming from the same place.... Ill keep trying.
03-02-2019 05:34 PM
WILLD420 Search by this, you will find them.

Lakesea snow off road arctic truck tire at405
03-02-2019 05:25 PM
WILLD420 Search by this, you will find them.

Lakesea snow off road arctic truck tire at405
03-02-2019 04:57 PM
WILLD420 How much money you got to invest. At $200 per tire, 100 tire minimum, you need $20,000 plus the ride and duties. At $300 per tire, you would have to sell 75-80 tires (20 sets) to cover the costs. Do you think we can find 20 guys to buy a set of 4 or 16 guys to buy a set of 5?

That's not much margin to get someone to import them. Not when they can sell Swampers and make the same money with no risk for returns and blems.
02-27-2019 06:34 AM
weswes01 So a Case of beer still goes out to anyone who can find an AT405 connection in the US or Canada.

They could be sold under Lakesea, Waystone, Dino, or Nokian. I’m seeing them for sale on alibaba.com for $200 a piece.

Maybe someone has buying experience through them??
02-26-2019 08:31 PM
waterhorse I just bought a set of the Mud Grapplers in the 38x15.5xr15 for my DD Bronco about three weeks ago. I'll give you my opinion. I have run "Dirt Grips", "Baja MTZ" and the "SSR" on this truck in the same size. (The first two are not made anymore)

The Nitto's are the loudest when new. All the others were pretty quiet when new and get louder as they ware. These are fairly loud brand new. It's not real objectionable, kind of sounds like an airplane. I hope they don't get louder as they age.

They are also the smoothest running.

I have no balance weights on them and they appear to not need it. The Swampers and Dirt Grips definitely need balanced.

As far as off road, I haven't done much yet. I did drive through a scrap yard after a rain storm that had about 2' of mud. I was in 2WD and thought I might need to lock the wheels, but they worked great. I was pulling a heavy trailer that I'm not sure if that hurt or helped. Lots of weight on the tongue. They don't really look as aggressive as in pictures. But seem to get pretty good traction.

As far as snow, they seem to do great in the deepest Florida snow.
02-26-2019 07:45 PM
weswes01 There is a huge hole in the off-road tire market and this tire nails it!

I have spoke with arctic trucks and they want $709 a tire plus shipping from Iceland! That’s just ridiculous.

I did some reasearch. They are manufactured in China by one of the top five companies. From what I can find on alibaba.com they are sold under lakesea, waystone, Nokian, and Dino for about $200

If ANYONE with a tire connection can look into this further and locate a source in the US or even Canada. I’ll buy you a case of beer.
12-02-2014 07:58 PM
mtsnowrunner Very well said, couldn't agree more.
12-02-2014 07:03 PM
DiscoDino A friend runs these in the mountains of Lebanon (currently snowy, and lasts for a good winter season)...they did very well in the snow...as they were designed to...

I stuck to the 36 Bias Iroks for a more all round performer on my DD...but I have seen the 35 Interco Trexus MT do well, and I know they have a 38.5" version...that would be my choice if I were States-side and can fit 38.5s...

Anything larger and I think the 42" Iroks served me well from 2006 to 2012 on my trail rig...hoping the 54" TTCs will do even better this season when the truck is done...

The issue with snow is the quality varies across the season, and even within a day...so chasing the "perfect tire for all snow" is gonna be hard...and I prefer to opt for the best all round at the size I can fit...
11-08-2014 10:25 PM
86chevyjoe Also, I messaged arctic trucks on Facebook to see if these tires can be purchased and they replied, "Yes it is possible to sell the tires to the US, we would have to find out of shipping and other things. Can you please send an email to [email protected] with this request?"

if anybody is interested there you go!
11-08-2014 10:18 PM
86chevyjoe No first hand experience w/ the 38" nittos. I run little 35" big horns haha.

I know one guy from Idaho that runs the 40" mud grapplers (load range D) on a cj7 and he does very well. They are grooved considerably but he uses them for snow only and runs them at very low pressures.

Next snow season I will have a set of the 38" nittos on 15x12 allied beadlocks. I am planning to only groove them, no siping. My CJ is 3000lbs ready to rock. Should float awesome with the big balloons.

Any tire will dig if it's not broken in and/or has too much air in it. I constantly run my tires 0-2lbs when snow wheeling. I found my jeep goes best when there's just enough air in the tires to keep the inner bead from falling off
11-07-2014 08:59 PM
wes761 Here's a post with pics of how i cut/siped my mud graplers https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/snow-...itto-snow.html

A quick update concerning those tires...... They started to crack/dry rot between lugs (only 3 years old) and enough for me to replace them (with Iroks). They also wrecked the beads on the aluminum wheels they were mounted on. They have a fat bead "rim protector" as nitto calls it, but it seems to trap dirt and sands away the wheel bead.

Besides that I can't complain..... but haven't yet snow wheeled the Iroks.
11-07-2014 01:31 AM
Dialed-In My local sources tell me that the BFG KM2 in the 365/75/16 (38"14.50"x16") size are discontinued, as in never again. Damn that sucks because they were half the price of the BFG KM2 38"x14.50"x17" & 18" wheel size as well.
I don't particularly like running 17" and 18" wheels which made these a good option for that tread in a 16" wheel.

So I'm back to 38"x15.50"x15" Nitto Mud Grapplers as a choice, but w/o more feedback from those that have actually wheeled them in the snow it's a hard call to make. I would of course sipe and groove them lots, but at $2,000 (CDN Funds) for a set (of #4) it's gonna sting if they don't perform admirably in the snow.

Now if any more of you (thanks for your input 86ChevyJoe) have ran or even seen these Nitto's run well (or not so well) in the snow please chime in asap, cause the snow's already falling in the Mtn.'s where I live and wheel.

Like YotaAtieToo asked, are you speaking from first hand experience with the Nitto Mud Grapplers 86ChevyJoe? Enquiring minds want to know...

Cheers D
11-07-2014 01:12 AM
Dialed-In
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Originally Posted by sneakyninja View Post
Toyo makes a 37x15.5R15 and a very thick 6 Ply sidewall, you might need to spend some time with a grooving iron though.
One of my wheeling buddies runs those exact size of Toyo's (they are actually 37"x14.50"x15" and weigh about 94lbs. which is heavy for the size) on a Jeep XJ with a 6" lift and a little trimming.
Now they do seem to be wearing well (they are a popular tire for the local 3/4T. and 1T. 4x4 trucks, 'in a different wheel size of course', because they last), but they do not flex easily even at very low pressures (under 5Psi.).
I suppose if they were siped and grooved significantly it would help in the snow, but since their rubber compound seems to be on the harder side they will never work as well as a Bias Irok for example and seem just okay for snow use.

Cheers D
11-05-2014 07:39 PM
YotaAtieToo
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Originally Posted by 86chevyjoe View Post
Grooved 38x15.5R15 nitto mud grapplers on 15x12 bead locks. Perfect for light weight rig
Have you ran or seen anyone run those? They seem like they would dig really fast if you spun at all.
11-05-2014 07:23 PM
86chevyjoe Grooved 38x15.5R15 nitto mud grapplers on 15x12 bead locks. Perfect for light weight rig
11-05-2014 04:50 PM
YotaAtieToo
Quote:
Originally Posted by sneakyninja View Post
Toyo makes a 37x15.5R15 and a very thick 6 Ply sidewall, you might need to spend some time with a grooving iron though.
Toyos suck ass in the snow. I would be looking at the 36X14.5 tsl radial (if they still make it) and the 38x15.5? Mt mtz.
11-05-2014 04:47 PM
sneakyninja Toyo makes a 37x15.5R15 and a very thick 6 Ply sidewall, you might need to spend some time with a grooving iron though.
11-05-2014 12:04 AM
Dialed-In
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Originally Posted by Oxen View Post
price shipping tire quality

think i could bring a set back as my luggage on my next trip?
Do me a favour and grab a second set for me, Pretty Please... (COD)
11-04-2014 10:19 PM
Oxen price shipping tire quality

think i could bring a set back as my luggage on my next trip?
10-31-2014 04:26 PM
Claybuilt himarker get some pitures for us this winter! I have been wanting to see them in the snow too! I had a friend that ran them on a big super duty and iroks don't last long one the street.
10-31-2014 11:18 AM
himarker
41.5 pbr

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Originally Posted by killaQ View Post
Has anyone tried the 41.5 13.50 pbr radials? I always thought that would be a great tire for snow wheeling.
I just bought a set of these. They will see some serious deep snow this winter...
10-30-2014 03:37 PM
Dialed-In
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Originally Posted by YotaAtieToo View Post
I really can't imagine those tires being good on a dd. At $1k per tire, any wear at all would be too much for me,

I don't have any experience with them, but what about the interco truxus sts? Big balloon with a/t tread.
The AT 405's were made specifically for the Iceland/Arctic market where they run in snow conditions exclusively and then most will switch to a smaller tire for the summer months when flotation isn't needed. In these conditions those tires would last a long time because there isn't much wear (little heat generated) while in sub zero conditions. Making them a good buy when you consider how well they work for only being a 38" tire with very little competition.
I've seen videos of the AT 405's being used in the desert as they are supposed to be a four season tire, however I would be seriously concerned with wear especially with the cost.

I would be great if Goodyear would make a bunch of Duratracs in sizes 36"+ and with a 3ply sidewall. I'd think they would sell like to cakes up in the northern USA and Canada.

Up here in Canada we have many lifted F/S diesel 4x4 trucks running around on their 38"+ Toyo's/TSL's etc. that in the winter time switch to a 31" severe winter snow/ice tires (It's mandatory in the winter on our Hwy.'s to have the Mtn./snow flake symbol on your tires) because nobody makes anything larger (those big trucks sure look funny rolling around on those little tires).

The TSL STS tires, do they wear well and drive well other then snow/sand conditions? I've thought about those too, but fear they may be too single purpose not suited to a DD Jeep.

Not only has the tire industry stepped away from 15" wheel sized tires in the 35"+ sizes, but in general they've stopped making wider sized tires as well. I recognize that most rock crawlers use a width of 12.50" and that's most of the off-road market, buy in the good old days pre-2007 most any size width was being made...
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