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12-03-2013 09:44 AM
yota_driver thank you original poster. I have been struggling with this problem for years now changed starter 3 times. Problem always came back. Never really bothered me to much but my wife is using old dependable now for a winter rat. This solution solved my 88 2wd 22r problem much thanks
10-02-2013 07:42 PM
Carter.S Wow, I haven't been on the board lately, opened this thred cause I have been having this issue the last few months, I think it has fixed it so far. Did the mod a couple hours ago on my 91 22re 2wd SAS.

Thanks to Big Ern for the idea, and props to sometoyotaguy for posting the good idea for fixing 3rd gens

NOW on to how I did this:

I basically did most the job like sometoyotaguy, except when it came to the B+ wire that is needed, i didnt want to have ANOTHER wire running through my firewall, cause my dual elockers and rock lights and stereo wiring all running through that one poor grommet have it stretched as bad as jenna jameson. So i looked around by the fuse box and low and behold found an empty socket from where my anti-lock fuse was before the build. So i used the test light to see what side had power, and made sure it is also constant. On my truck its the white wire. So a few inches back on the other side of the fuse(green/red) wire i clipped it and butt connectored it to a short jumper which goes to the relay.

On a side note, the wires for the anti-lock are also real nice and beefy, and obviously fused, as well no need to run a wire to the battery, keeping things tidy, and simple, so if you had the anti-lock option and arent using it, its a nice way to do it. Also i threw a 20amp fuse in as i figured that should be fine, seems to be so far. Dont pay any attention to the "temporary" mini fuse, its what i had kickin. Oh and you can see in the first pic I have the relay removed, and the ABS fuse socket is detached from the main fuse box. In second pic the socket is re-attached and the relay socket has jumpers installed.


10-02-2013 08:52 AM
Tech Tim I was having the same issue on my '86 4Runner, did the Big Ern mod a couple months back and it has been flawless ever since.





Hey Ern, long time no see, how's Aus treating you?
10-02-2013 07:43 AM
makemeknowit I've got an '84 and an '87 and they both are leaving me stranded to the point I'm scared to drive them, hope this will solve my issues as well. Nothing more frustrating than hitting the key and getting nothing but a click.
08-17-2012 12:46 AM
Big_Ern
Quote:
Originally Posted by teamwir View Post
Thanks for the wright up. I have put four starters on mine and been left stuck on the trails because of my starter. Once I was stuck on a steep incline with trees behind me where I couldn't even roll back down out of it. The recent "new" starter began doing what all the rest did with the dam clicking. I quit driving it on the street because of it. Tonight I did this mod and it works like a champ. Thanks again...
Glad this is still helping people
08-16-2012 08:48 PM
teamwir Thanks for the wright up. I have put four starters on mine and been left stuck on the trails because of my starter. Once I was stuck on a steep incline with trees behind me where I couldn't even roll back down out of it. The recent "new" starter began doing what all the rest did with the dam clicking. I quit driving it on the street because of it. Tonight I did this mod and it works like a champ. Thanks again...
03-12-2012 09:04 PM
Tugboat10 It's been awhile since anyone has been on this thread but it has been very informative. Great fix Big, I am thinking about trying it out but I wanted some advice first. I have a similar starting problem with my 87 4runner but slightly different.

Most of the time when I turn the key my radio and tach come on etc. but I DO NOT get a click. If I mess around and turn alarm on/off or windshield wipers or whatever (probably coincidental) and turn the key back and forth eventually I will get the 'click!' from my starter relay and the starter will crank and start the engine. I've also noticed that the check engine light will not come on at first but as soon as I mess around with it and get it to the point it will start the check engine light will come on (even before I crank it just with key in on position)

I have checked continuity in my starter relay as per FSM and it functioned as it should have. I also ran wires to two pins on the relay straight from my battery and had it 'click' (work) every time. Does this sound like maybe I'm not getting enough power to the relay to get it to function? Any suggestions?

Is it possibly my immobilizer acting up?
08-31-2010 10:25 PM
red_man22 Great help guys!! I had this problem and I have replace everthing, starter, wres battery. the works! My 85 22RE did not have the relay so I added it in an wow I am so happy could just sh*t

Thanks for the info guys Good work
05-17-2010 12:48 PM
Big_Ern glad this is still helping people

Quote:
Originally Posted by dog8123 View Post
Fabricator - that is it.. mine is the same , says starter relay on it.


Female:
___
---------
| 1 | 2 |
---------
| 3 | 4 |
--------
OK this is what i thought..
looking into the female side of the plug. is what they mean. Female being the plug side closest to the battery.
1 - blk red
2 - blk white
3 and 4 are blk.

But when i hooked the black wire under the black/white wire up to the battery the solenoid was clicked on constantly and it did not work.. So that is not right..
Anyone tell me the right wire?
or what is the top of the plug? not the clasp? is that the bottom?
The clasp that clicks the two plugs together is the top of the plug in the diagram. don't know which side is closest to the battery, but the female is the side of the plug that has the 4 slots that the 4 prongs of the other (male) plug slide into.

If you cut one of the black wires, connected it to the battery and the relay was always on, you cut the wrong black wire - you cut #3. Reconnect this one back up and cut the other black wire to connect to the battery and it will work.

If you cut one of the two black wires not knowing which is which there is a 50/50 chance it is the right one... In these situations you always pick the wrong one first
Try again, the other will work
05-17-2010 08:07 AM
n2frodn 6 year old thread solves a problem that has been bugging me for the last couple of years on two trucks.

Did this fix last month, truck has had no problems starting since.

Thanks!
05-16-2010 10:26 AM
dog8123 Fabricator - that is it.. mine is the same , says starter relay on it.


Female:
___
---------
| 1 | 2 |
---------
| 3 | 4 |
--------
OK this is what i thought..
looking into the female side of the plug. is what they mean. Female being the plug side closest to the battery.
1 - blk red
2 - blk white
3 and 4 are blk.

But when i hooked the black wire under the black/white wire up to the battery the solenoid was clicked on constantly and it did not work.. So that is not right..
Anyone tell me the right wire?
or what is the top of the plug? not the clasp? is that the bottom?
04-20-2010 07:52 PM
e Where is the starter relay on an 86 runner 22r tec? I've looked on the passenger fender and the driver and passenger side kick panels, however I haven't been able to locate it. I found the open circuit relay in the pass kick panel and a hear a clicking under the plenum in the engine, but I've been unable to find the relay. I'm wondering if the early 22re turbo's didn't have the starter relay.
11-01-2009 06:14 PM
dopeassjackson
Quote:
Originally Posted by fabricator View Post
I got a 87
22re motor
I am guessing this is the starter relay
no numbers for wires, does have 4 wires
wire from starter goes into harness , hard to follow
clicks when you try to start it, is on passenger side
anyone confirm what this it
it doesn't say
thats what the one looks like on my 86 runner with 22re
11-01-2009 06:09 PM
fabricator I got a 87
22re motor
I am guessing this is the starter relay
no numbers for wires, does have 4 wires
wire from starter goes into harness , hard to follow
clicks when you try to start it, is on passenger side
anyone confirm what this it
it doesn't say
08-22-2009 09:20 AM
4runner666 Thank you!!! I have the same problem. i started by replacing the contacts and when it still did it i though it may be the cable itself but its in good shape. I'm going to do this when i get home so the neighbors wont see me outside with a hammer tapping the starter in the morning anymore haha.
08-15-2009 08:11 AM
dopeassjackson my starter wouldnt make a sound every now and then. i put new contacts in it and crimped the small wire terminal closed a bit and its worked good for the past 5-6 months. its an original toyota starter with about 230K on it.
08-14-2009 07:17 AM
ROKTOY Thanks for posting the details.
Jay
08-14-2009 05:34 AM
sometoyotaguy
Starter Relay Fix For In-Cab Relays

This is what I did to bypass the ignition switch for the starter solenoid, and just run the relay coil from the ignition switch.

I made 3 12" long jumpers.



Then I had to check to see which side of the relay the Ignition switch was on. The opposite side would be connected to the starter solenoid.



I connected the jumpers to the relay.





Then Tucked it up out of the way. I think I need some velcro or something here to keep it in place.



The Hot wire from the battery went through the firewall where the hood latch cable feeds through.







I added a fuse block just in case.





I don't have a pic of it connected to the battery, but that's pretty obvious.

Enjoy :-)
08-12-2009 07:14 AM
sometoyotaguy My relay is next to the clutch on the drivers kick panel. Instead of trying to cut into the harness, I'm planning on running some jumpers from where the relay used to be to another location. I'll run a wire from the battery with a fuse through the firewall and to the hot side of the relay. Figuring out a place to mount it will be the tricky part I think. I'll try to post some pics when I get it done.

While I'm at it, I might as well add a always hot lighter outlet. I don't like the switched ones.
08-05-2009 09:56 AM
dieseltweaker I am going to have to take a look at this...mine is clicking more than it is starting here lately.
08-04-2009 11:35 PM
Captainpolution Great! I will have to give this a shot. I'm glad this was bumped up. Just last night I was thinking how my truck was starting good then this morning I got the click click click again. I love this forum
08-04-2009 08:06 PM
millerjouni
Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthWestFab View Post
In my 1990 the relay is at the drivers feet, about a 1" cube, green relay marked starter relay. I have no clue how I'm going to get to it, its in a very nasty spot. Couldn't be more wedged into the kickpanel if it tried.
Did you ever figure this out for the third gen? It'd be nice if there was a solution since more and more 3rd gens are built over the oldies. I only post because I have a friend trying to figure out the same thing and I'm not doing the work to figure it out
01-31-2009 05:55 PM
NorthWestFab In my 1990 the relay is at the drivers feet, about a 1" cube, green relay marked starter relay. I have no clue how I'm going to get to it, its in a very nasty spot. Couldn't be more wedged into the kickpanel if it tried.
01-29-2009 03:46 PM
Big_Ern Glad it helped ya
01-29-2009 03:36 PM
bloodyscrow Hey Big Ern, thanks a whole bunch for posting this, i was having the same issues, rebuilt the starter had a shop take a looksie, they couldnt figure it out then i tried what you did here...works perfect every time now thanks a bunch
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