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02-07-2020 07:19 PM
87manche
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Originally Posted by Stuckntx View Post
I can dump a 100 rounds a minute with regular stock and just my finger. 1100 rounds in 10 minutes shouldnt be too hard.
this.

I've set handguards on fire in semi auto aks.
02-07-2020 07:11 PM
Stuckntx
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Originally Posted by Roc Doc View Post
I take non-shooters to my range and get them 1000yd hits on a 18" x24" targets. I've done it several times. Sniper 101 is up well over 100 episodes, dope, reloading, ballistics, optics, wind calls, moving targets, he covers it all, and that's just one guy. There are lots and lots of resources if you want to get long range hits, and his were under 500, not a big deal shooting into a target that is 10, 000 sq yards (or bigger) in size.

Really? You don't think you could fire 100 rounds a minute with a bumpfire stock? I could. This also includes 200 rounds he fired into the hallway.
I can dump a 100 rounds a minute with regular stock and just my finger. 1100 rounds in 10 minutes shouldnt be too hard.
02-07-2020 06:07 PM
Roc Doc
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Originally Posted by thefishguy77 View Post
None. But too much doesn’t add up. People missing then show up on TV then missing again. I think I am in 10x the shape he was in and I would be exhausted if I tried to do what he did.
Even if all the mags were loaded and he had zero failures. To fire that many rounds in that short of time frame would be a feat for someone like myself with zero formal training. 1100 rounds in 10 minutes. Also why would he go to the trouble of getting dope cards and then begin with the least accurate way to send rounds down range? To much stuff doesn’t add up to me. I know he had the connections to get the room he wanted and previously had the money to buy all that stuff. Thats a non issue with me. But as someone who is just at best an amateur interested in getting into distance shooting I see the amount of effort he supposedly put into being accurate and they he opens and closes with the spray and pray. Sorry I will keep my tinfoil on this one.


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I take non-shooters to my range and get them 1000yd hits on a 18" x24" targets. I've done it several times. Sniper 101 is up well over 100 episodes, dope, reloading, ballistics, optics, wind calls, moving targets, he covers it all, and that's just one guy. There are lots and lots of resources if you want to get long range hits, and his were under 500, not a big deal shooting into a target that is 10, 000 sq yards (or bigger) in size.

Really? You don't think you could fire 100 rounds a minute with a bumpfire stock? I could. This also includes 200 rounds he fired into the hallway.
02-07-2020 05:54 PM
thefishguy77
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Originally Posted by Roc Doc View Post
I published the list of firearms right after it happened. All AR pattern, so yeah they could be broken down and fit in suitcases. A shitload of mags, some tools for breaking windows and nailing doors shut, a goofy gas mask type setup. All stuff anyone here could have planned and procured. He was a rated player so he could request the room he wanted, again nothing out of the ordinary.



He had dope cards, but even if he missed his target the density of the crowd got him a hit.



He did himself with a pistol.



None of that would require anyone behind the scenes. Burden of proof is on you, what proof do you have as to your claim?


None. But too much doesn’t add up. People missing then show up on TV then missing again. I think I am in 10x the shape he was in and I would be exhausted if I tried to do what he did.
Even if all the mags were loaded and he had zero failures. To fire that many rounds in that short of time frame would be a feat for someone like myself with zero formal training. 1100 rounds in 10 minutes. Also why would he go to the trouble of getting dope cards and then begin with the least accurate way to send rounds down range? To much stuff doesn’t add up to me. I know he had the connections to get the room he wanted and previously had the money to buy all that stuff. Thats a non issue with me. But as someone who is just at best an amateur interested in getting into distance shooting I see the amount of effort he supposedly put into being accurate and they he opens and closes with the spray and pray. Sorry I will keep my tinfoil on this one.


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02-07-2020 05:40 PM
Roc Doc
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Originally Posted by thefishguy77 View Post
Depending on barrel length and muzzle devices it can easily be north of 36”. But I have absolutely zero clue or desire to dig into it to try and find the specs of the rifles.

Either way I have no doubt that if you wanted to you could have gotten all those rifles into the room in suitcases. Even if he took all the barrels off and put them back on. It was obvious he wasnt going for accuracy.
If he did it at all before he was killed before the cops finally got there. Way to many stories to not think there was someone(s) behind the scenes.


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I published the list of firearms right after it happened. All AR pattern, so yeah they could be broken down and fit in suitcases. A shitload of mags, some tools for breaking windows and nailing doors shut, a goofy gas mask type setup. All stuff anyone here could have planned and procured. He was a rated player so he could request the room he wanted, again nothing out of the ordinary.

He had dope cards, but even if he missed his target the density of the crowd got him a hit.

He did himself with a pistol.

None of that would require anyone behind the scenes. Burden of proof is on you, what proof do you have as to your claim?
02-07-2020 05:29 PM
thefishguy77
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Originally Posted by Norm View Post
An AR disassembled is about 20"s long with just two pins removed in about 10 seconds. So it seams reasonable to me they were in the suitcases.


Depending on barrel length and muzzle devices it can easily be north of 36”. But I have absolutely zero clue or desire to dig into it to try and find the specs of the rifles.

Either way I have no doubt that if you wanted to you could have gotten all those rifles into the room in suitcases. Even if he took all the barrels off and put them back on. It was obvious he wasnt going for accuracy.
If he did it at all before he was killed before the cops finally got there. Way to many stories to not think there was someone(s) behind the scenes.


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02-07-2020 04:35 PM
DR. SMASHER What are they hinting at, she was on the FBI payroll? Ok.
02-07-2020 09:57 AM
Norm
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Originally Posted by rugger View Post
It proves that he had a bunch of luggage. I don't have any long guns that will fit in suitcases of that size. He must have had them all disassmbled.
An AR disassembled is about 20"s long with just two pins removed in about 10 seconds. So it seams reasonable to me they were in the suitcases.
02-07-2020 09:56 AM
Roc Doc
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Originally Posted by rugger View Post
It proves that he had a bunch of luggage. I don't have any long guns that will fit in suitcases of that size. He must have had them all disassmbled.
Sure. AR pattern is perfect for that. Nothing weird about a rated player showing up with a shit-ton of luggage.
02-07-2020 09:50 AM
rugger
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Originally Posted by Roc Doc View Post
I think I covered this early on in the thread, and the video proves it.
It proves that he had a bunch of luggage. I don't have any long guns that will fit in suitcases of that size. He must have had them all disassmbled.
02-07-2020 09:46 AM
XJben
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Originally Posted by zlathim View Post
I have absolutely zero confidence or trust in any LE agency in America.
same.
02-07-2020 09:18 AM
Roc Doc
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Originally Posted by rugger View Post
i found it curious that not one video could be produced of this guy carrying all these firearms and ammo to the room.
I think I covered this early on in the thread, and the video proves it.
02-07-2020 09:12 AM
Motorcharge
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Originally Posted by eraser5 View Post
More like not being able to use a few hand tools to secure a few doors well. Using a bump stock instead of a binary trigger. Putting a big pile of loaded mags out of reach. Setting a backup rifle in the kill zone right by the door. The shooter's house was robbed and computers stolen before the FBI could find the house. That kind of stupid weird stuff.
Don't forget damn near everything in the hotel room was nearly an exact match for items listed on a gun control bill that didn't get through Congress that year.
02-07-2020 09:11 AM
Norm
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Originally Posted by rugger View Post
i found it curious that not one video could be produced of this guy carrying all these firearms and ammo to the room.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uci5Ar2HFr0
02-07-2020 09:06 AM
rugger
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Originally Posted by PROJECTJUNKIE View Post
Or the brother speaking up then getting arrested on child porn charges, kinda like the Texas 3d printed gun guy who got setup with the jailbait, or the guy that beat the epa, like a dirty cop putting a drop gun in somebody's hand after shooting them. Nothing to see here
i found it curious that not one video could be produced of this guy carrying all these firearms and ammo to the room.
02-07-2020 08:54 AM
PROJECTJUNKIE
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Originally Posted by eraser5 View Post
More like not being able to use a few hand tools to secure a few doors well. Using a bump stock instead of a binary trigger. Putting a big pile of loaded mags out of reach. Setting a backup rifle in the kill zone right by the door. The shooter's house was robbed and computers stolen before the FBI could find the house. That kind of stupid weird stuff.
Or the brother speaking up then getting arrested on child porn charges, kinda like the Texas 3d printed gun guy who got setup with the jailbait, or the guy that beat the epa, like a dirty cop putting a drop gun in somebody's hand after shooting them. Nothing to see here
02-07-2020 08:21 AM
eraser5
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Originally Posted by PROJECTJUNKIE View Post
Yeah, like they couldn't get rednecks to support gun control, so they shot a bunch of moderate rednecks, then killed that guy before he could talk, then the 1st guy on scene disappears, then shows up on Ellen? Then the girlfriend disappears and turns up on spook payroll?

It's called television "programming" for a reason

I'm sure somebody has worked up a list of dead witnesses by now.

False Flag
More like not being able to use a few hand tools to secure a few doors well. Using a bump stock instead of a binary trigger. Putting a big pile of loaded mags out of reach. Setting a backup rifle in the kill zone right by the door. The shooter's house was robbed and computers stolen before the FBI could find the house. That kind of stupid weird stuff.
02-07-2020 07:59 AM
PROJECTJUNKIE
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Originally Posted by Roc Doc View Post
The redneck festival wasn't his first choice, but he couldn't get the room he wanted for the other festival.
Is that what the fbi and CNN said?
02-07-2020 07:59 AM
Roc Doc
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Originally Posted by rockota View Post
Whether that is true on paper or in practice is a question....
I would guess it's true in both regards, as far as official agents go. Now do they sub-contract, I'd think so.
02-07-2020 07:23 AM
rockota
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Originally Posted by Roc Doc View Post
I don't know how you'd verify if the GF was on the FBI payroll, but as a foreign national, she couldn't be an agent.
Whether that is true on paper or in practice is a question....
02-07-2020 07:21 AM
Roc Doc
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Originally Posted by PROJECTJUNKIE View Post
Yeah, like they couldn't get rednecks to support gun control, so they shot a bunch of moderate rednecks, then killed that guy before he could talk, then the 1st guy on scene disappears, then shows up on Ellen? Then the girlfriend disappears and turns up on spook payroll?

It's called television "programming" for a reason

I'm sure somebody has worked up a list of dead witnesses by now.

False Flag
The redneck festival wasn't his first choice, but he couldn't get the room he wanted for the other festival.
02-07-2020 07:19 AM
PROJECTJUNKIE
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Originally Posted by eraser5 View Post
I've said the whole thing smells fishy from the beginning. I don't want to go all tinfoil hat, but the I just don't believe the narrative.
Yeah, like they couldn't get rednecks to support gun control, so they shot a bunch of moderate rednecks, then killed that guy before he could talk, then the 1st guy on scene disappears, then shows up on Ellen? Then the girlfriend disappears and turns up on spook payroll?

It's called television "programming" for a reason

I'm sure somebody has worked up a list of dead witnesses by now.

False Flag
02-07-2020 07:08 AM
Roc Doc
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Originally Posted by Whitetrash303 View Post
No idea if The True Pundit is a credible source. It's an old article but the first I've heard of it. https://truepundit.com/feds-scramble...been-an-asset/

Shooter’s Girlfriend Lists FBI as Place of Employment on Loan Application; ‘She Might have Been an Asset’

Marilou Danley, the girlfriend of Las Vegas mass shooter Stephen Paddock, worked for the FBI, according to credit application data the Australian national reported as part of a loan application.

That’s the same Danley whose fingerprints were found on Paddock’s horde of ammunition packed into unused rifle magazines.

Publicly available intelligence obtained from consumer credit reporting bureaus show Danley claimed the “Federal Bureau of Investigation” as her place of employment.

Interesting revelation.

When contacted Friday, one FBI source said the Bureau “might have made payments to Danley but it is above my level,” the source said referring to access to the FBI’s confidential informant participant and payment records. The source said “bosses are concerned” with the new revelations about Danley’s financial relationship with the FBI.

In FBI speak, Danley could have been a paid asset. And ‘concerned’ means folks are getting ready to cover their own butts if payments were made to Danley either before or after the massacre.

Perhaps FBI Director Christopher Wray can shed light on the matter.

Or Danley. If you can find her. It took the FBI days to locate her and interview her after the Mandalay Bay massacre.

Danley is an Australian national. She is not a U.S. citizen.

Of course this bombshell Intel is coming from FBI sources in the beltway, not the corrupt Las Vegas FBI field office headed by Aaron Rouse. The same FBI field office that has not been able to pinpoint a motive for the Oct. 1, 2017 massacre that killed 57 people.

Little wonder why the narrative doesn’t fit the crime if the person whose fingerprints are on the ammunition also happens to be on your FBI payroll.

A YouTube video surfaced Thursday highlighting a database search with Danley’s apparent employment link to the FBI as reported by database giant Intelius as well.
True Pundit screams click-bait. I don't know how you'd verify if the GF was on the FBI payroll, but as a foreign national, she couldn't be an agent.
02-07-2020 07:05 AM
zlathim I have absolutely zero confidence or trust in any LE agency in America.
02-07-2020 06:52 AM
eraser5 I've said the whole thing smells fishy from the beginning. I don't want to go all tinfoil hat, but the I just don't believe the narrative.
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