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02-18-2019 07:05 AM
H8DWINGS I just checked my power consumption for the last week. It’s been snowing here. Highest consumption is 20kwh. For one day. In an 7ninsulated 500 sq ft shack in Alaska, I’d no doubt expect to use heat 10 times as much. How cold has it been there? Wasilla, AK has a high of 30 and low of single digits. Yeah, space heaters non stop explains 225 kWh in four days.
02-17-2019 07:26 PM
nate379 Yes, put in a meter about 6 weeks ago.

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Originally Posted by u2slow View Post
I got an old revenue meter off ebay for under $100.

Stuff it in an old meter can and wire it inline with the suite's feeder cable. Read the meter each month, do the math, add your commission , charge accordingly.
02-17-2019 01:54 PM
u2slow I got an old revenue meter off ebay for under $100.

Stuff it in an old meter can and wire it inline with the suite's feeder cable. Read the meter each month, do the math, add your commission , charge accordingly.
02-17-2019 01:05 PM
det107
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Originally Posted by nate379 View Post
Looks like they will be evicted soon if things don't shape up....
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02-16-2019 08:05 PM
nate379
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Originally Posted by Blame Canada View Post
Awesome!

Never would of thought about that.

I'll have to make sure I put in a range top into the suite, and no oven.

Looks like they will be evicted soon if things don't shape up.

When I put the meter in I let them know it was going into effect (was in the lease too, but was nice about reminding them).

I had hoped that would wake them up a bit to whatever they are powering in the apartment. Heaters, or 87 lights, or whatever.

Rent was due on the 1st, along with about $250 extra for the power they used. Haven't seen it. Won't answer calls or texts and they wait until no one is around to come and go.

Power was shut off today to the part of the apartment that isn't supposed to be used.
It was rented as that section being a storage area. It's not insulated and doesn't meet fire code to be used as bedrooms. It used to be an office area for the shop 15ish years ago, around 500 sq ft.
02-16-2019 12:44 PM
Blame Canada
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Originally Posted by Valley Rock View Post
They are too lazy and cheap to go get firewood, so they are heating the house with the oven .


Landlord pays for electricity, so that's not a problem .
Awesome!

Never would of thought about that.

I'll have to make sure I put in a range top into the suite, and no oven.
02-16-2019 12:27 PM
Blame Canada
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Originally Posted by ManNamedJed View Post
I had an apt where I had to pay gas, but electricity was included.

So of course I bought a few electric heaters.

Two months later a meter was installed and I was informed I'd now be paying my own electricity.

As others have said, I suspect they don't like the wood stove and are using electic heaters.
I my rental days, one appt. I was looking at had seperate electrical meters, in a locked utility room, we were not allowed to see. I chose not to rent it.

Slumloard even offered lowering the monthly rent 2 times, trying to get me on the hook for unknown electrical & unknown rates, while never seeing the meter.

Me thinks no meter ever existed.
02-16-2019 09:04 AM
Rockcrawlintoy
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Originally Posted by nate379 View Post
Because normal electric use is factored into the rent. Most apartments have heat and power included.

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I have had water included but never power and heat. I always paid for my own.
02-14-2019 08:40 PM
nate379 Well, got the meters in for the kiln. Glad I bought 2 because I realized that the kiln runs on 2 circuits.

1 is the heater/dehumidifier and the other are the 2 fans.

Both circuits are 240v.

The meters are setup to measure a 120v line. It's supposed to be wired hot and neutral and there's just 1 amp clamp.

If I wire in on 1 leg (120v) will I need to be doing math to get the proper Kw/Hr reading?


Reason for the meter is so I can pay for the power I use on the kiln. Also if we dry lumber for a customer, it will be a way to know the costs there as well.

Kiln has been in place for ~15 years, but not used much. Being told it costs about $300/month to run, but that's just a rough guess.
01-23-2019 09:48 PM
nate379 Yes, 240v. It's a Nyle/Woodmizer DH4000

http://woodmizer.ca/en/Products/Port...ation-Kiln-Kit

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Originally Posted by Muckin_Slusher View Post
If your kiln is 240 volts, then there is no need to measure "both legs" as the current in one leg is equal to the current in the other (goes in one wire and comes out the other sort of thing). Same thing if the kiln was 120 volts, you only need to measure one leg.

If you were to get two and add the numbers then you would think you're using twice as much power as you actually are.

The only time you would need to measure both hot legs is if you are using both hots and the neutral, but if you were, then two meters like you've shown would have no idea between them if the current was going through one hot leg and out the neutral, or through one hot leg then through the other hot leg (meaning you'd again be adding the power twice).
01-23-2019 12:50 PM
bigun
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Originally Posted by ManNamedJed View Post
I had an apt where I had to pay gas, but electricity was included.

So of course I bought a few electric heaters.

Two months later a meter was installed and I was informed I'd now be paying my own electricity.

As others have said, I suspect they don't like the wood stove and are using electic heaters.
RV park I was at in CO had 20 or so sites that didn't have meters. That changed after the dad died there were a bunch of people upset when they started getting a bill instead of just paying a monthly fee
01-23-2019 11:48 AM
roundhouse Saw some fancy thing on this old house episode that measured the usage in real time and was sensitive enough and had some software that could identify what appliance was running based on the way it used electricity

They could tell if it was a clothes washer
Could tell the fridge was running
Could tell the water heater was on etc
01-23-2019 11:19 AM
ManNamedJed I had an apt where I had to pay gas, but electricity was included.

So of course I bought a few electric heaters.

Two months later a meter was installed and I was informed I'd now be paying my own electricity.

As others have said, I suspect they don't like the wood stove and are using electic heaters.
01-23-2019 02:06 AM
Muckin_Slusher
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Originally Posted by nate379 View Post
Was looking for another to setup on the kiln, trying to figure out how much power it uses to dry a load of wood.

Found these, seems to be decent from the reviews. Wish I had seen those before paying $350 for one for the apartment.

Can only do 1 leg on a 240v, but just have to use 2 and add the #s.


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Oh, current power useage upstairs... 15 days, 751kwh... ~50 kw/hr a day. Can only guess they have electric heaters going. My average bill at home per month is about half that.
If your kiln is 240 volts, then there is no need to measure "both legs" as the current in one leg is equal to the current in the other (goes in one wire and comes out the other sort of thing). Same thing if the kiln was 120 volts, you only need to measure one leg.

If you were to get two and add the numbers then you would think you're using twice as much power as you actually are.

The only time you would need to measure both hot legs is if you are using both hots and the neutral, but if you were, then two meters like you've shown would have no idea between them if the current was going through one hot leg and out the neutral, or through one hot leg then through the other hot leg (meaning you'd again be adding the power twice).
01-22-2019 10:22 PM
nate379 Was looking for another to setup on the kiln, trying to figure out how much power it uses to dry a load of wood.

Found these, seems to be decent from the reviews. Wish I had seen those before paying $350 for one for the apartment.

Can only do 1 leg on a 240v, but just have to use 2 and add the #s.


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Oh, current power useage upstairs... 15 days, 751kwh... ~50 kw/hr a day. Can only guess they have electric heaters going. My average bill at home per month is about half that.
01-13-2019 08:14 PM
nate379
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Originally Posted by thefishguy77 View Post
Ask them how many pounds they are going to hook you up with for all the extra power they are using.


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I've never tried the weed. It's legal here I guess. At least there's a bunch of stores selling it.

I know they smoke it, had to have a chat with them a month or so ago, it stank up the shop. No idea how anyone can suck on that, smelled like burning dog shit mixed with skunk and dirty ballsack.
01-13-2019 06:02 PM
2big bronco
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Originally Posted by thefishguy77 View Post
Ask them how many pounds they are going to hook you up with for all the extra power they are using.


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This, they growing. Or just went out and bought the $20 heater from walmart and leave it on.
01-13-2019 05:56 PM
thefishguy77 Ask them how many pounds they are going to hook you up with for all the extra power they are using.


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01-13-2019 03:15 PM
#1SomeGuy
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Originally Posted by nate379 View Post
Finally got a chance to get the meter put in a few days ago. Had the meter sitting on the counter for a couple months, just been busy with a million other things. Last month's power bill at over $700 made it become a higher priority. When the apartment has been empty, the shop bill runs around $200-250 (around 1000-1200 kwhr)... and that was before I replaced most of the old school fluorescent lights (10lb magnetic ballast ones) with LEDs

Anyhow, in 4 days they've used about 225 kw/hr.

In the lease they signed (which I wrote), it's written in that 350kw/hr is under the rent and anything over is on them. This equates to about $70 of electricity.


I'm wondering if that 350 kw/hr is being unrealistic? I based it off my house which is 3 bed, 2 bath plus a large garage. 2 people living there. My typical bill is around 400kw/hr.

The apartment is 1 bed, 1 bath. Electric would be lights, kitchen stove, washer/clothes dryer and that's it other than whatever they have plugged in.
Heat is a wood stove, water heater is on a different panel (it's here in the shop and supplies hot water in here at well).
LoL I had to go look at my electrical bills...I usually use 400-450kwh a month for a fairly big house. 225kwh in 4 days is just nuts.
01-13-2019 08:05 AM
#1SomeGuy
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Originally Posted by TrailTamer XJ View Post
225 kwh in 4 days, or 96 hours:
•average of 2,343.75 watts continuous
•Or ~24 100 watts (120v) light bulbs left on continuously for 4 days straight.
•Or on average of pulling ~19.5 amps (120v) continuously for 4 days straight.

This seem unrealistic for such a small apartment. Especially if they haven’t trip breakers when pulling high amps to get that kind of kWh in 4 day. At bare minimum I’ll try find out whether the 225kwh in 4 days is even possible in that apartment’s electrical system and give your tenant a head up that he’s going to pay the next 3 weeks’ worth of electricity if he/she don’t quit being retarded on usage.
One 1500 watt heater running all day makes that number instantly realistic.
01-13-2019 03:27 AM
Muckin_Slusher
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Originally Posted by nate379 View Post
Finally got a chance to get the meter put in a few days ago. Had the meter sitting on the counter for a couple months, just been busy with a million other things. Last month's power bill at over $700 made it become a higher priority. When the apartment has been empty, the shop bill runs around $200-250 (around 1000-1200 kwhr)... and that was before I replaced most of the old school fluorescent lights (10lb magnetic ballast ones) with LEDs

Anyhow, in 4 days they've used about 225 kw/hr.

In the lease they signed (which I wrote), it's written in that 350kw/hr is under the rent and anything over is on them. This equates to about $70 of electricity.


I'm wondering if that 350 kw/hr is being unrealistic? I based it off my house which is 3 bed, 2 bath plus a large garage. 2 people living there. My typical bill is around 400kw/hr.

The apartment is 1 bed, 1 bath. Electric would be lights, kitchen stove, washer/clothes dryer and that's it other than whatever they have plugged in.
Heat is a wood stove, water heater is on a different panel (it's here in the shop and supplies hot water in here at well).
What kind of meter did you put in? Your last post mentioned a utility installed one, with a second buried line and $7-8K....
01-13-2019 12:05 AM
TrailTamer XJ 225 kwh in 4 days, or 96 hours:
•average of 2,343.75 watts continuous
•Or ~24 100 watts (120v) light bulbs left on continuously for 4 days straight.
•Or on average of pulling ~19.5 amps (120v) continuously for 4 days straight.

This seem unrealistic for such a small apartment. Especially if they haven’t trip breakers when pulling high amps to get that kind of kWh in 4 day. At bare minimum I’ll try find out whether the 225kwh in 4 days is even possible in that apartment’s electrical system and give your tenant a head up that he’s going to pay the next 3 weeks’ worth of electricity if he/she don’t quit being retarded on usage.
01-12-2019 10:08 PM
nate379
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Originally Posted by conwaymuddy View Post
Why would you pay for any of their electrical use, or supply them firewood? Isnt the idea of being a landlord to make money?

You want to pay my bills as well?
Because normal electric use is factored into the rent. Most apartments have heat and power included.

Firewood is "free", it's what we do for a living. I've got 1500+ cords of logs sitting here and in the woods, not like I can't spare 2 or 3

This is an apartment off of the shop, so it's not like it's that big of a deal to throw a few logs on the processor and dump off a load of wood for them.

Either way, that's not the point of this. Was just wondering what "normal" power use would be.
01-12-2019 10:00 PM
conwaymuddy Why would you pay for any of their electrical use, or supply them firewood? Isnt the idea of being a landlord to make money?

You want to pay my bills as well?
01-12-2019 09:52 PM
nate379 Firewood is provided.

I've suggested we pull out the stove and put in an oil fired Toyo stove, but for the time being the stove is there, it works and a Toyo stove is $$$.

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Originally Posted by Valley Rock View Post
They are too lazy and cheap to go get firewood, so they are heating the house with the oven.

The guy living there has been for a couple years. Wasn't an issue until this summer when he decided to house a few more people "for a month or two"... (yeah I know, not my call on that)

Landlord pays for electricity, so that's not a problem .
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