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02-26-2019 08:48 PM
mobil1syn
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Originally Posted by Mac5005 View Post
More info needed. My Google fu is failing. Pretty sure we know which wayne, but not much info anywhere on this.
i doubt youll find anything. secrets win races and winners dont like losing.
02-26-2019 02:51 AM
Mac5005
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Originally Posted by mobil1syn View Post
thewayne valve as it has been coined has been around for probably 3yrs and theres a patent to go with it. it works really well and applied properly can do some cool things.


More info needed. My Google fu is failing. Pretty sure we know which wayne, but not much info anywhere on this.
02-25-2019 08:20 PM
mobil1syn
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Originally Posted by Mac5005 View Post
It doesn’t look too crazy to use n2 instead of a spring in the bypass

Not sure the psi/force differences between the mechanical spring vs air spring and how/what it would achieve, but it looks like it worked.

Not sure the role it played in winning, but interesting tech.

How long before others are trying it....
thewayne valve as it has been coined has been around for probably 3yrs and theres a patent to go with it. it works really well and applied properly can do some cool things.
02-25-2019 06:27 PM
Mac5005 It doesn’t look too crazy to use n2 instead of a spring in the bypass.







Remove the spring. The plunger already has two orings.

Add two grooves and orings to the end cap, and replace the screw with a schrader valve.

Not sure the psi/force differences between the mechanical spring vs air spring and how/what it would achieve, but it looks like it worked.

Not sure the role it played in winning, but interesting tech.

How long before others are trying it....
02-21-2019 04:01 PM
hurleygo3
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Originally Posted by Valley Rock View Post
QUOTE: a nitrogen valve instead of the spring in the tube. Says it holds the car up longer and takes the hit smoother.


So #76 is running 90/10's ?


If that "Nitrogen valve" can hold the car up and still take the whoops, basically making the car float, that is one hell of a calculating valve, I would think computer controlled or will be in the near future, because that is key for speed in the desert, probably made out of Plutonium or unobtainium .
FOX already has "Live Valve technology"

The secret to their new speed is the little Asian Ninja they have tuning the shocks. Mike is crazy good.
02-21-2019 05:54 AM
DannyK Thousand Island dressing man.

https://youtu.be/WOM6Zd5oUsg
02-21-2019 05:31 AM
jbcruiser
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Originally Posted by peesalot View Post
Don't matter, if it aint on the 321 it is not gonna win.
02-20-2019 11:14 PM
ZAG so they replaced bybass valve spring with nitrogen spring.
gets un linear spring curve in to valve
02-20-2019 08:11 PM
Valley Rock QUOTE: a nitrogen valve instead of the spring in the tube. Says it holds the car up longer and takes the hit smoother.


So #76 is running 90/10's ?


If that "Nitrogen valve" can hold the car up and still take the whoops, basically making the car float, that is one hell of a calculating valve, I would think computer controlled or will be in the near future, because that is key for speed in the desert, probably made out of Plutonium or unobtainium .
02-20-2019 05:42 PM
wes8517 I know I questioned the single 3" IBP coilover on the front of Jordan Pelligrinos new car and they said it was getting the re-circulating resi's like their Gen2 Raptor shocks to help ensure they didnt get shock fade. I dont know if they had any shock fade issues, but with a front engine car, with a 3" IBP that has the fluid volume of a standard 2.5" shock I was doubting it for sure especially for the first lap of desert section.

Wes
02-20-2019 04:55 PM
mobil1syn
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Originally Posted by Mac5005 View Post
I asked Jason what changes fox made.

He said larger bypass tubes and a nitrogen valve instead of the spring in the tube. Says it holds the car up longer and takes the hit smoother.

Need someone smarter to decode the “nitrogen valve” part. Haha

From the pics I have and I was looking for the servos, it didn’t have servos on any bypass tube or c/o resi.
interesting ...
02-20-2019 04:43 PM
Mac5005
OK, what's this secret squirrel sauce from Fox

I asked Jason what changes fox made.

He said larger bypass tubes and a nitrogen valve instead of the spring in the tube. Says it holds the car up longer and takes the hit smoother.

Need someone smarter to decode the “nitrogen valve” part. Haha

From the pics I have and I was looking for the servos, it didn’t have servos on any bypass tube or c/o resi.
02-11-2019 03:22 PM
zcarczar You can see the bypass tubes on Jason's car in a few of the pictures. It doesn't look like servo activated bypasses.

Unless they did something with the coil-over? I'm not familiar with the system they run on the Raptor or RZR's.
02-11-2019 01:58 PM
Beat95YJ
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Originally Posted by Weasel View Post
THat doesn't sounds like a quick swap into a U4 car though, having to be powered, etc?
I presume it would be designed in. Retrofitting might be a pain.
02-11-2019 01:06 PM
Weasel
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Originally Posted by Beat95YJ View Post
I presume it’s their electronically controlled shocks that compensate for inertia, steering angle, etc. I guess fox makes it for the new raptors also. They have a couple of jeeps running around with it and a couple old raptors.
THat doesn't sounds like a quick swap into a U4 car though, having to be powered, etc?
02-11-2019 12:20 PM
cruiser_moby
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Originally Posted by Clifcattankass View Post
https://www.ridefox.com/content.php?c=livevalve-bike

I don't know if they have adopted this to motorsports shocks, but could be.
There's no question I'm buying this as soon as it trickles down to Ultra distance style race mtb bikes (shorter travel ~130 front/100-120 rear). This past year I used the Quarq shock wiz to analyze and tune the shocks on my current mtb race bike it made a huge difference. Mount it to the pressure valve, ride the bike, review the results and suggestions, modify, repeat. In 2 sessions I had it riding great. The Fox system takes this up a whole nother level though and the reviews so far have been great.

I spent many time consuming hours of try and test re-valving of the Bilstein 7100s on my previous truck and Radflos on my current. In the end I got them where they were performing great, but at least having electronic data logging would make it so much quicker to dial in. I know this is in use in motorsports generally but it doesn't seem to have trickled down yet.
02-11-2019 07:44 AM
Clifcattankass
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Originally Posted by Roc Doc View Post
servo controlled valving?
https://www.ridefox.com/content.php?c=livevalve-bike

I don't know if they have adopted this to motorsports shocks, but could be.
02-10-2019 10:01 PM
nobrakes
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Originally Posted by peesalot View Post
Don't matter, if it aint on the 321 it is not gonna win.

02-06-2019 03:33 PM
peesalot Don't matter, if it aint on the 321 it is not gonna win.
02-06-2019 01:53 PM
Beat95YJ
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Originally Posted by Roc Doc View Post
servo controlled valving?
Yes. They have had it on sxs for a while. They also have a JL kit.
02-06-2019 01:43 PM
Roc Doc
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Originally Posted by welndmn View Post
They swapped out the Fox oil and are running sperm whale oil.
Just glad they didn't go cheap with coyote oil.
02-06-2019 01:42 PM
Roc Doc
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Originally Posted by Beat95YJ View Post
I presume it’s their electronically controlled shocks that compensate for inertia, steering angle, etc. I guess fox makes it for the new raptors also. They have a couple of jeeps running around with it and a couple old raptors.
servo controlled valving?
02-06-2019 01:33 PM
welndmn They swapped out the Fox oil and are running sperm whale oil.
02-06-2019 01:17 PM
Beat95YJ I presume it’s their electronically controlled shocks that compensate for inertia, steering angle, etc. I guess fox makes it for the new raptors also. They have a couple of jeeps running around with it and a couple old raptors.
02-06-2019 01:06 PM
Killersoundz
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