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Yesterday 10:21 PM
YotaAtieToo One more pic from yesterday.



Drove down to the river kinda near my house, the road going down is something between a dirt road and a trail. Figured I'd flex the suspension hard and see what it looks like





Good these shocks aren't 1/4" longer, that coil was this >< close to falling out.



One weird thing is that after parking there for a few minutes, it was really hot when I went to leave, like touching the red. I basically coasted down to the river. Coolant level looked good, but messing with the fan, the clutch seemed weak. I was expecting issues climbing back up the road from the river but it was perfectly in the middle the whole time, just like every other time I've drove it.
07-21-2019 08:42 PM
YotaAtieToo Did ~25 mile loop of mixed smooth dirt roads, rough dirt roads, mild trails and a hair of crawling. No issues other than the noise from the pos rear drums. Rides really good, even with the struts topping out often.



Since I don't trust this thing enough to take out in the middle of nowhere by its self, I had the wife follow in our 3rd Gen 4runner.



Watch out for all that flex



Local area up our way, I've been going up here for my whole life and I still forget how amazing it is sometimes.



I definitely want to get the longer struts in, it's basically topped out just sitting there. You can feel it a lot on the rough roads. I should be getting the limit straps I need in the next few days for that.

As expected, gearing sucks, high range is pretty sluggish. And it has a hard time climbing in low, even stalls out occasionally, the sami case should be perfect with the 1.6/4.16.

Like I mentioned before, steering works really well even aired down, locked front in the rocks.

Speaking of lockers, this is my 2nd spartan and I love them. I had on in my FJ80 front and it almost felt open as far as steering but was always locked 100% when needed. Same as this one. The full carrier Detroit I put in my front 60 was not the case, even in 2 low, you could feel it binding and struggling to unlock all the time.
07-21-2019 10:57 AM
YotaAtieToo
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Originally Posted by jr4x View Post
If no spacer was almost enough, you don't think 1/2" might be ok?

I'm already following, but definitely in to see how you tackle a-arms from scratch. I've been entertaining buying the altered ego arms as they do sell them separate, just so I can move the front tires forward. But I would like to go a touch further than they did. I need new springs anyway because the calmini ones are absolutely trashed.

The calmini kit uses coil bind as the bump stops. My springs haven't broken yet but they are definitely damaged. I'm starting to plan for a different kind of upgrade because I want lower gears, like way lower. I'm thinking 6.50's for 33's for the 16V would get my high range back where I want it. So a home built 9" housing up front and and a 9" rear. That is way overkill for the tracker but the only easy way to get the gear ratio I want. If I did the 9" diff up front it would be nice to build a sub frame and do a centered diff with longer a-arms for better travel. I've never built a-arms before or even began to plan for cv plunge and stuff.
The one side popped out on flat ground, I think it needs more than 1/2" I'm working on cutting the flange off a bad cv right now. Not super stoked on stacked spacers, but it should be fine for what this thing is.

I really am in over my head when it comes to the cv plunge also. Right now it's just trial and error

Got the stacked spacers in, roughly 1", initial flex test makes me think they are barely going to work. With the boot popped off it looks like its pulled a little far. Loading up now to go up to the mountains and mess around.
07-21-2019 05:18 AM
jr4x If no spacer was almost enough, you don't think 1/2" might be ok?

I'm already following, but definitely in to see how you tackle a-arms from scratch. I've been entertaining buying the altered ego arms as they do sell them separate, just so I can move the front tires forward. But I would like to go a touch further than they did. I need new springs anyway because the calmini ones are absolutely trashed.

The calmini kit uses coil bind as the bump stops. My springs haven't broken yet but they are definitely damaged. I'm starting to plan for a different kind of upgrade because I want lower gears, like way lower. I'm thinking 6.50's for 33's for the 16V would get my high range back where I want it. So a home built 9" housing up front and and a 9" rear. That is way overkill for the tracker but the only easy way to get the gear ratio I want. If I did the 9" diff up front it would be nice to build a sub frame and do a centered diff with longer a-arms for better travel. I've never built a-arms before or even began to plan for cv plunge and stuff.
07-20-2019 11:22 PM
YotaAtieToo They are the suzuki to toyota cv adapters, which can interchange as a ~1/2" spacer. Which I don't think is enough, but I have an idea to make it work for now.

I tried sleeving a shaft, but all I had was some 120 wall tube, shocking that it didn't hold up......

I did pick up a bunch of cv's from a buddy, so at least I have some room for error.
07-20-2019 07:26 PM
YotaAtieToo

Hey look what I found
07-20-2019 04:53 PM
YotaAtieToo Ya, I remember seeing someone cut and sleeve some cv's for something and not have an issue.
07-20-2019 03:35 PM
2big bronco
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Originally Posted by YotaAtieToo View Post
On another note, one thing I was a little worried about was steering power. Surprisingly, even now locked in the front with the nobby tires at low pressure, it steered great. We'll see how the rack holds up to crawling though.


I'm pretty sure its Nissan Sentra shafts that people regularly cut and sleeve as a stronger then stock option. Even then the welded portion isnt what breaks.

I think the itty bitty steering links will buckle before the rack has issues. I just put the cheapest amazon rack one I could find on mine and it looked substantially better then the factory one I pulled off
07-20-2019 09:38 AM
YotaAtieToo On another note, one thing I was a little worried about was steering power. Surprisingly, even now locked in the front with the nobby tires at low pressure, it steered great. We'll see how the rack holds up to crawling though.
07-20-2019 09:22 AM
YotaAtieToo
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Originally Posted by jr4x View Post
Are you just two 1/2" spacers away from being able to use it as is for a while and get the fun back? Because making spacers for that looks like a small easy project. I'd do that instead of taking it back apart for a few more months to build A-arms.
Ya, maybe more like 1", but either way, it's not too hard of a project. The problem is, the fire took a lot of people I knows equipment. So getting something made isn't as easy as it used to be.

Hopefully it won't take that long to build some arms. I may be under thinking it, but it doesn't seem to terribly hard. At least for the standards of this rig.

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Originally Posted by 2big bronco View Post
Cut and sleeve them for now to get on the road
I was actually thinking that also. I bet that it wouldn't be the weak point anyway. I have 3 total cv's and a buddy has a pile of them also.

I still want to build a arms, but it would be nice to get out there at least a few times while I gather parts.
07-20-2019 07:28 AM
2big bronco Cut and sleeve them for now to get on the road
07-20-2019 05:16 AM
jr4x
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Originally Posted by YotaAtieToo View Post
Well, test drive was a bust. What I feared, but ignored happened. The Toyota diff is actually narrower than the suzuki diff, which left the cv's too short. The boot seemed over extended, but I figured fuck it, see what happens. 5 mins of 2 mph and this happens.





So now, do I have spacers made or just go with t100 cv's (exactly the same but 3 1/4" longer) and make my +2 wide and +3 a arms?
Are you just two 1/2" spacers away from being able to use it as is for a while and get the fun back? Because making spacers for that looks like a small easy project. I'd do that instead of taking it back apart for a few more months to build A-arms.
07-19-2019 07:31 PM
YotaAtieToo Well, test drive was a bust. What I feared, but ignored happened. The Toyota diff is actually narrower than the suzuki diff, which left the cv's too short. The boot seemed over extended, but I figured fuck it, see what happens. 5 mins of 2 mph and this happens.





So now, do I have spacers made or just go with t100 cv's (exactly the same but 3 1/4" longer) and make my +2 wide and +3 a arms?
07-19-2019 07:18 PM
2big bronco
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Originally Posted by YotaAtieToo View Post
I'm hoping to cram some 35s under it for snow and rocks.
I came here to say it needs more sawzall and tires now that you have the front end in it. How hard would it be to just run toyota arms? Would frame mounts and shock hoops be harder then arms? Parts would probably be free.
07-19-2019 01:59 PM
YotaAtieToo I just love how cheap everything is. Brand new tire is $120 instead of $650

Going to see soon how it does on rock trails. Hopefully it will be fun.

Once I get it going, I really want to build some lower a arms to push the axle forward 2-3" oddly enough that wi actually make the cv's and steering line up better. I'm hoping to cram some 35s under it for snow and rocks.
07-19-2019 01:50 PM
snowracer not sure how i missed this build but love it was just an event and there was a guy there with a 2 door kick on baby vtreads and it was turbo'd and that thing kicked ass all weekend. was blown away buy it for how basic it was and how well it worked
07-19-2019 09:48 AM
YotaAtieToo Kinda disappointed with lowrange right now. I decided to just order the last few parts I need for the sami tcase swap (intermediate shaft and Toyota driveline adapters)

I figured I'd grab the pair of limit straps too.

So for 2 ~4" round by 1/2" thick adapters and 2 14" limit straps they wanted $42 for shipping

So I said fuck that and got the adapters from zor (which was hard to find that they even made them) and with shipping it was the same price as just the adapters from lowrange. Then I got the limit straps on Amazon prime for half the price.
07-18-2019 10:09 AM
YotaAtieToo Got 1 side together last night, I thought I had more pics, but I guess only took 1 of how far the hub sticks out. Not terrible with the 1" spacers. Might go to 1.5" and throw the 1" in the back.



I want to put the longer struts on at the same time, but they are a little too long and the cv binds up at full droop. I'm thinking about getting limit straps.
07-18-2019 07:23 AM
chevy1925
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Originally Posted by YotaAtieToo View Post
Thanks, I remember reading some of that, I was just curious to try it myself.

My idea was to cut the end off the 1st Gen a arm and move it forward but it would be more work than it's worth imo.
yup, i have two brand new 1st gen arms on my shelf in the garage that im not using. it was way easier to grab a set of first gen calimonkey arms for damn near nothing, cut/splice/extend those.
07-17-2019 08:41 AM
YotaAtieToo
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Originally Posted by chevy1925 View Post
2nd gen arms are also narrower and the pivot points are slightly wider. documented alot of this in my thread as i built the arms

use the 2nd gen knuckle if at all possible. the bump steer from factory already isnt all the great, no need to amplify it with those 1st gen knuckles. if the 1st gen spindle fits the 2nd gen knuckle, you are already well ahead since the bushing will fit. just becareful putting the bushing in, its thin and the material deforms real easy.
Thanks, I remember reading some of that, I was just curious to try it myself.

My idea was to cut the end off the 1st Gen a arm and move it forward but it would be more work than it's worth imo.
07-17-2019 08:13 AM
chevy1925 2nd gen arms are also narrower and the pivot points are slightly wider. documented alot of this in my thread as i built the arms

use the 2nd gen knuckle if at all possible. the bump steer from factory already isnt all the great, no need to amplify it with those 1st gen knuckles. if the 1st gen spindle fits the 2nd gen knuckle, you are already well ahead since the bushing will fit. just becareful putting the bushing in, its thin and the material deforms real easy.
07-16-2019 10:49 PM
YotaAtieToo Pulled the 4 door back in and tore the front end apart. Turns out the 1st Gen spindles are interchangeable with the 2nd Gen. So the bushings will work as is.

I was also curious about the 1st Gen a arms since they are steel and have a bolt on ball joint instead of the stupid 1 piece cast a arm on the 2nd gen. Well the mounts lined up, but the ball joint is way further back on the 1st Gen a arm. I am really thinking about making my own a arms. It really doesn't look that complex to me. Might try to use a 7/8" hiem to replace the ball joint.

One thing that may interest some is putting 2nd Gen a arms on a 1st Gen to move the tire forward.

Another thing I noticed is that the knuckles look interchangeable, but have a few differences. The caliper ears are further out on the 2nd Gen, the 2nd Gen looks beefier in general, and the most interesting is the steering arm is way higher. Which interests me because my ends are bind before I get full droop. My plan was to just drill the knuckles for hiems and run them on top. As I type this, I'm realizing that may fuck with the toe through travel, but I'd probably never notice anyway



Got the pass side CV fitted, seems like it fits like it should.
07-14-2019 10:08 PM
YotaAtieToo Worked on this bastard all day today.





I used the piece of 4x4 tube that I cut off to patch the spot in the rear crossmember. Worked out well.



Pinion mount was pretty simple



The stock breather stuck up and was hitting the oil pan. I actually happen to have my burnt 60 right there with the perfect solution. You can also see how much I cut off the diff flange.



All finalized, it's tight as shit in there. I lifted the motor about an inch, and probably should have done it more.



Also did an SAS on the 2 door

I pulled all the ifs out of it and wanted it to remain a roller. I'm hoping to use the 1st Gen spindles so the Toyota cv conversion bushings I have will work.
07-14-2019 09:50 PM
YotaAtieToo
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Originally Posted by 2big bronco View Post
You still have the trackick tcase in it?
Yes, I need to track down an intermediate shaft. Plan is to just use Toyota shafts since I have a few, they're way stronger and easier to find than stock samurai shit.
07-14-2019 03:14 PM
2big bronco You still have the trackick tcase in it?
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