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Yesterday 08:05 AM
GLTHFJ60 Pimp!
11-18-2019 09:35 AM
Java Christmas time!



Bumper back from powdercoat. It was rusty enough in places you can still see the pitting, but get it dirty and it will be fine.

All new hardware, and reassembled.




Leaning towards a Sherpa 25k winch. Anyone have any experience with them? https://sherpa4x4.com/products/stall...lb-truck-winch
11-14-2019 12:44 PM
Java
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Originally Posted by CarterKaft View Post
The pin is actually fairly soft, bent it first trip out using 2"-3" adapters...

I wonder if that shear load chart works correctly when in a reciever hitch, is it not actually two pins at that point?

I see where that chart came from, https://www.extension.purdue.edu/ext...PPP/PPP-94.pdf
Its in double shear when in a receiver.

Surprised it bent.... But Like I said rated pins you actually have to be shopping for generally.
11-14-2019 12:34 PM
CarterKaft
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Originally Posted by Java View Post
Yeah assuming is a gr 5 perhaps? I want 4x for recovery situations. Tugging or winching a fully bogged 14k truck makes a HUGE load factor fast.

Towing I feel will have a lot less stresses on it. Especially if you factor the friction caused by a few thousand lbs of tongue weight as well.
The pin is actually fairly soft, bent it first trip out using 2"-3" adapters...

I wonder if that shear load chart works correctly when in a reciever hitch, is it not actually two pins at that point?

I see where that chart came from, https://www.extension.purdue.edu/ext...PPP/PPP-94.pdf
11-14-2019 11:06 AM
Java
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Originally Posted by CarterKaft View Post
I wonder about the pin calculations and desired safety factor.

The 17+ Ford Super Duty has an 3" reciever hitch on certain models. The hitch pin is still 5/8" and Ford stamped it with a 21,000 lb rating as is the hitch.

Per your chart that's a 2x safety factor, and that makes a 5x factor seem excessive.
Obviously this is your boat, but I thought it was interesting what Ford legal (i assume) deemed adequate for the job.
Yeah assuming is a gr 5 perhaps? I want 4x for recovery situations. Tugging or winching a fully bogged 14k truck makes a HUGE load factor fast.

Towing I feel will have a lot less stresses on it. Especially if you factor the friction caused by a few thousand lbs of tongue weight as well.
11-14-2019 10:55 AM
CarterKaft I wonder about the pin calculations and desired safety factor.

The 17+ Ford Super Duty has an 3" reciever hitch on certain models. The hitch pin is still 5/8" and Ford stamped it with a 21,000 lb rating as is the hitch.

Per your chart that's a 2x safety factor, and that makes a 5x factor seem excessive.
Obviously this is your boat, but I thought it was interesting what Ford legal (i assume) deemed adequate for the job.
11-14-2019 10:10 AM
Java
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Originally Posted by tracyb View Post
i live on north whidbey. between Deception Pass state park and the Cornet Bay boat launch, pretty sure i've seen your rig drive by here awhile back. i'm self employed one man metal fab job shop.

i had a hard time finding a good powder coater in the area, but have started using Superior Powder out of Arlington with good results. another option i push to all my customers is galv. Seattle Galvenizers is out of arlington as well and its charged by the pound $.50-.70/lb i plan on having my flatbed galv'd.

i know the bumper is already being coated but thought i'd share. and very cool build!
Yep! We do deception every once in awhile! Climb Mt Erie.

I have heard good things about Superior, and have used Seattle Galv many times. They are just hard to get too for me! I am using Seattle Powder Coat, they have always done good work for me as well.
11-14-2019 10:02 AM
tracyb i live on north whidbey. between Deception Pass state park and the Cornet Bay boat launch, pretty sure i've seen your rig drive by here awhile back. i'm self employed one man metal fab job shop.

i had a hard time finding a good powder coater in the area, but have started using Superior Powder out of Arlington with good results. another option i push to all my customers is galv. Seattle Galvenizers is out of arlington as well and its charged by the pound $.50-.70/lb i plan on having my flatbed galv'd.

i know the bumper is already being coated but thought i'd share. and very cool build!
11-14-2019 09:39 AM
Java
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Originally Posted by SSSRodeo View Post
You just built the truck. Can't you figure out how to build a reviever that will hold up to the weight of your truck if you had to pull it out? Would you rather trust a tiny tow hook or hook onto the spring hanger or a frame hole?

I've reinforced all of my reciever hitches for the job I might ask them to do.
Or custom built them from scratch.
Yeah, I built my trucks too!

My winch plate drawbar is solid 2 inch bar and the plate is 1/2 inch. Not sheet metal.
It's a heavy bastard, but if that's what it takes, that's what I build.

I even have a 3000lb winch set up the same way that I use on my yard truck (side X side) and lightweight trailer for loading the ATV's and race cars. No sense in using a 12,000 winch for a light weight job. Hell, I've used that winch to pick up rocks with my "A" frame mounted on my yard truck.

Obviously I can't hang my 37' Motorcoach from a tree with the 12K, but it's reciever can handle all the winch will pull. With that Big Girl I've never kept driving it in deeper if it starts telling me it's not going to make it.

But hey, your truck, do it your way. I just enjoy building stuff for more than one single purpose on one single vehicle.
Just thought I'd throw that option out there.
Yes I certainly could, But my rear end is already done. I might be ok, but its a big cantilever down from the frame to the bumper/hitch. Not ideal for winching.

The bit but is your still relying on a single hitch pin.

Since I just had this conversation with someone.... What grade hitch pin do you have?

Grade 2 (or chinesium pretty likely?!) braking strength is 27,243 lbs in double shear.
Grade 5, better, but not common unless you really shopping for good ones. Breaking is 44,179 lbs
Grade 8, unlikely, but possible. Breaking is 55,223lbs.


My goal is 4x GVW for all recovery shit. so even a 5/8 grade 8 isn't quite enough. Its probably close enough in reality, but I like that extra safety margin.

Tow points in the rear are straight 1x6 steel bolted to the frame with 4 grade 8's. No little wimpy hooks here. Front is the factory tow points that are bolted to the frame rails there.

Yes they become a one tool job. But I also don't have to find a place to store the winch/receiver. Not trying to knock your setup at all, definitely has its place, but I dont think ti will work for me and how I want this truck. Ill think on it.... Since I still dont own a winch for it yet....

From Purdue University paper doing load tests.

11-14-2019 09:24 AM
SSSRodeo
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Originally Posted by Java View Post
Yeah the receiver is handy, but I don't trust it with this heavy of a truck.....

I'm going to add a rear at some point, but feel like I should tho one on the front since it's easy now....

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You just built the truck. Can't you figure out how to build a reviever that will hold up to the weight of your truck if you had to pull it out? Would you rather trust a tiny tow hook or hook onto the spring hanger or a frame hole?

I've reinforced all of my reciever hitches for the job I might ask them to do.
Or custom built them from scratch.
Yeah, I built my trucks too!

My winch plate drawbar is solid 2 inch bar and the plate is 1/2 inch. Not sheet metal.
It's a heavy bastard, but if that's what it takes, that's what I build.

I even have a 3000lb winch set up the same way that I use on my yard truck (side X side) and lightweight trailer for loading the ATV's and race cars. No sense in using a 12,000 winch for a light weight job. Hell, I've used that winch to pick up rocks with my "A" frame mounted on my yard truck.

Obviously I can't hang my 37' Motorcoach from a tree with the 12K, but it's reciever can handle all the winch will pull. With that Big Girl I've never kept driving it in deeper if it starts telling me it's not going to make it.

But hey, your truck, do it your way. I just enjoy building stuff for more than one single purpose on one single vehicle.
Just thought I'd throw that option out there.
11-14-2019 09:15 AM
bigun
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Originally Posted by Java View Post
I have seen that before as well. Not real practical on this truck, too much shit in the way in the middle I think.
Bummer it would be cool to see!
11-14-2019 09:11 AM
Java
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Originally Posted by bigun View Post
I remember seeing a winch set up in the middle of the rig cable ran to the back went around a hooked shiv then went back up to the front. That way you could use one winch for both ends, and since it went around a shiv you pulling capacity was doubled
I have seen that before as well. Not real practical on this truck, too much shit in the way in the middle I think.
11-14-2019 09:00 AM
bigun
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Originally Posted by Java View Post
Yeah the receiver is handy, but I don't trust it with this heavy of a truck.....

I'm going to add a rear at some point, but feel like I should tho one on the front since it's easy now....

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I remember seeing a winch set up in the middle of the rig cable ran to the back went around a hooked shiv then went back up to the front. That way you could use one winch for both ends, and since it went around a shiv you pulling capacity was doubled
11-14-2019 08:14 AM
Java
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Originally Posted by SSSRodeo View Post
I have a 9,000lb winch on the front of my Rodeo, but, also have a 12,000 lb winch mounted on a 2" receiver plate. This way I can plug it into the reciever hitch on the Rodeos rear or anchor it off to something off angle. I also have 50' of power leads with Anderson plugs if I need remote winching.

Sometimes you need 2 winches, and having one portable comes in handy.

This way, should I need to, I can also use it on my Motor home or Dodge Pu(front or rear) to help get it unstuck. And loading junkers on my trailers.
All my vehicles are wired both front and rear for the winch. And the trailers too!

I bought a 10 pack of Anderson winch connectors for a good package price, so I used them.

Ya never know! I spend more time getting others out of their fuckery than I do my own.
Yeah the receiver is handy, but I don't trust it with this heavy of a truck.....

I'm going to add a rear at some point, but feel like I should tho one on the front since it's easy now....

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11-14-2019 08:02 AM
SSSRodeo I have a 9,000lb winch on the front of my Rodeo, but, also have a 12,000 lb winch mounted on a 2" receiver plate. This way I can plug it into the reciever hitch on the Rodeos rear or anchor it off to something off angle. I also have 50' of power leads with Anderson plugs if I need remote winching.

Sometimes you need 2 winches, and having one portable comes in handy.

This way, should I need to, I can also use it on my Motor home or Dodge Pu(front or rear) to help get it unstuck. And loading junkers on my trailers.
All my vehicles are wired both front and rear for the winch. And the trailers too!

I bought a 10 pack of Anderson winch connectors for a good package price, so I used them.

Ya never know! I spend more time getting others out of their fuckery than I do my own.
11-14-2019 06:59 AM
Java
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Originally Posted by JNHEscher View Post
I keep going back to look at your snow pics. That's the setting I want to be in and I think it's what's motivating me more on our build lately. We've only been as far north on the west coast as Garberville, CA. and love it out there.



Props on the bumper and upcoming winch upgrade. Campers that can get in and out of rugged places are the best.
Yeah I can't wait for more snow! It's been a slow start to the season so far. Hopefully it comes with avenegence!

I'm torn on the winch on the front.... I really need it on the back, Butttt mounting one on the front is easy right now.

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11-14-2019 12:34 AM
JNHEscher I keep going back to look at your snow pics. That's the setting I want to be in and I think it's what's motivating me more on our build lately. We've only been as far north on the west coast as Garberville, CA. and love it out there.

Props on the bumper and upcoming winch upgrade. Campers that can get in and out of rugged places are the best.
11-13-2019 09:40 AM
Java Well another great PNW weekend done. Drove a few different road Friday night, and settle in here so we had enough phne service to stream the football game. Sometimes its nice No other people, no cars, will put it on the quick stop with service camp list.







Did a pretty good hike, almost 10 miles. Dodging some rain, but the weather held out pretty well. Snow wall behind the ladies..... Need to climb it next summer.







Back to out normal spot for this area for Saturday evening. Why people have to move fire pits I don't know.... But it got moved. Been coming here for 16 years now! Just a great night in the woods.















Bumper is at the powder coaters. Trying to find a winch to throw in it before it goes on..... May just do it later, but I hate to have to take it back off to get one in.
10-29-2019 01:10 PM
Java
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Originally Posted by GLTHFJ60 View Post
Don't change anything in your front suspension until this bumper (and winch?) is in. Might soften up your ride enough just by weight, without having to change anything.
Yes no plans for now....

I wanted to do the bumper in Aluminum but its a 3k bumper that way.... Used steel is more my budget.
10-29-2019 01:06 PM
GLTHFJ60 Don't change anything in your front suspension until this bumper (and winch?) is in. Might soften up your ride enough just by weight, without having to change anything.
10-29-2019 01:02 PM
Java
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Originally Posted by christyle View Post
This is stating the obvious I guess, but DAMN....that's probably a lot more weight to add to the front end...?
It is.... But think of it as insurance, look at all the coolers on the front of this thing!

It's probably 150-75 lbs. Two guys can pick it up and move it reasonably easily.

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10-29-2019 12:50 PM
christyle This is stating the obvious I guess, but DAMN....that's probably a lot more weight to add to the front end...?
10-29-2019 12:27 PM
Java Yeah he quoted $350 until he saw the pictures

2 weeks to get it done. Ill probably drop it off soon. I dont want to think how much grinder time would be involved. Will lean up the scrapes and try to beat the dent out most likely... Kinda hard with it strapped to the truck tho!
10-29-2019 12:00 PM
65Chevy4x4 i agree, local coaters here would charge that much with just a strip and single coat.
10-29-2019 11:49 AM
DT75FLH thats a fair price..

especially if you factor the time you'll have in it
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