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05-28-2019 03:07 PM
SanDiegoCJ
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Originally Posted by thefishguy77 View Post
I know a guy abot 15 years older than me that had a cop write him a ticket for altering his vehicle. He but better performance tires on it. Slight size difference and aftermarket bumpers. He brought in the spec sheets on what the crown vics came with vs what the department had used to replace wear items. Turns out the cops put different tires on their cars when they wear out. Seems like they values budget vs keeping it ďfactoryĒ.
The ticket was dropped.


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Laws like that vary by state. Some states don't allow any lifts, but here in Califonia they limit the height of the frame from the road. The height varies by the GVWR of the vehicle.

In California Body Lifts are limited to a maximum of 5 inches. Suspension lifts are also restricted by state frame height laws. The maximum frame height for vehicles under 4,500 GVWR is 27 inches, 4,501-7,500 is 30 inches and 7,501 to 10,000 have a maximum height of 31 inches.

California Lift Laws | Vehicle Modification Rules
05-28-2019 02:29 PM
brian4wd
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Originally Posted by 87manche View Post
shit, with what some RVs cost you could probably buy a fucking ferrari.

but georgia recently went insane on the whole thing and is demanding that owners of exotic cars/RVs pay "their fair share" now, and is sending people with cars registered in other states big ass tax bills, for the whole time you've owned the car.

minnesota too
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/...-registration/

so the whole thing will come to an end eventually, but if he gets a few years out of it, then that's what he gets.

I'm not sure they'll be going after a regular guy with a pickup though, since everything there is obviously about lost tax revenue on 250K+ vehicles.
It all comes down to "residency" - New York (City) is going after income tax on people that are claiming Florida residence but maintain a NYC/NYS address and appear to be living fulltime in NYC/NYS. There was recent article about NY Tax agents using veterinary bills to show residency.

I've been cited twice in CA for improperly registered vehicles and had the tickets dismissed both times. I've also received a few of the letters from CHP "Cheaters" website that people use to anonymously report out of state plates belonging to their neighbors.
05-28-2019 01:58 PM
thefishguy77
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Originally Posted by SanDiegoCJ View Post
You'd be surprised at the number of people that are ignorant of that. BTW not all lifts are illegal.


I know a guy abot 15 years older than me that had a cop write him a ticket for altering his vehicle. He but better performance tires on it. Slight size difference and aftermarket bumpers. He brought in the spec sheets on what the crown vics came with vs what the department had used to replace wear items. Turns out the cops put different tires on their cars when they wear out. Seems like they values budget vs keeping it ďfactoryĒ.
The ticket was dropped.


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05-28-2019 01:29 PM
SanDiegoCJ
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Originally Posted by rockdog57 View Post
Iím dumb Gary, but Iím not stupid. All edge tuners or any other tune is by law illegal. Have you ever changed carbs, cams, higher compression pistons, etc..... welp that was illegal. You altered the vehicle. Put a lift on a truck. By god...illegal!
You'd be surprised at the number of people that are ignorant of that. BTW not all lifts are illegal.
05-28-2019 01:01 PM
B-rock
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Originally Posted by SuperAwesome View Post
Kind of a derail but WA state got rid of all emissions starting in 2019.

washington state ends 2020.

https://ecology.wa.gov/Air-Climate/A...ons-check-ends
05-28-2019 12:33 PM
cj5.5
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Originally Posted by arse_sidewards View Post
By northeast standard NH generally sucks by when it comes to fees because they don't tax the shit out of everything so the cost of a registration, permit or whatever generally reflects the cost to the government.

That said, they don't have sales or income tax and it's still massively cheaper to live in NH than any of the commie shithole states.
That I know. I've never had to register a supercar elsewhere, hence not knowing comparatively.
05-28-2019 12:29 PM
cj5.5 Just did the math. There was a Prevost that showed up in 'Interesting Trucks For Sale'. You could buy a new McLaren 570 for less than it would cost to register it in Maine.
05-28-2019 12:12 PM
arse_sidewards
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Originally Posted by cj5.5 View Post

Dunno how NH stacks up in the supercar regard, but a friend of mine works in a lake town near here. He was standing in line at the town clerk and the guy in front on him was registering his new 918. Cost him $90k to register.

By northeast standard NH generally sucks by when it comes to fees because they don't tax the shit out of everything so the cost of a registration, permit or whatever generally reflects the cost to the government.

That said, they don't have sales or income tax and it's still massively cheaper to live in NH than any of the commie shithole states.
05-28-2019 12:01 PM
cj5.5
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Originally Posted by 87manche View Post
shit, with what some RVs cost you could probably buy a fucking ferrari.

but georgia recently went insane on the whole thing and is demanding that owners of exotic cars/RVs pay "their fair share" now, and is sending people with cars registered in other states big ass tax bills, for the whole time you've owned the car.

minnesota too
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/...-registration/

so the whole thing will come to an end eventually, but if he gets a few years out of it, then that's what he gets.

I'm not sure they'll be going after a regular guy with a pickup though, since everything there is obviously about lost tax revenue on 250K+ vehicles.
Yeah I don't the precise legalities. My folks began doing it when they became full time RVers. They had no legal residence for a while. Heck, the town here where they own a lot wouldn't assign them a road address for a mailbox (and thereby mailing address) as there was no permanent structure, and the lot on HHI has a private mail box number, so same vagaries as a UPS box address. They didn't do it specifically to bail on taxes, and I'm pretty sure my Dad wouldn't have done it were it patently illegal. My FIL, eh...

Dunno how NH stacks up in the supercar regard, but a friend of mine works in a lake town near here. He was standing in line at the town clerk and the guy in front on him was registering his new 918. Cost him $90k to register.

Guy shrugged and said, 'At least it's less than it cost me to pave the last mile of the road so I can bring it home.'
05-28-2019 11:22 AM
sceep
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Originally Posted by 87manche View Post
shit, with what some RVs cost you could easily buy a couple fucking ferraris.
FIFY.
05-28-2019 11:19 AM
87manche
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Originally Posted by cj5.5 View Post
My folks have done it for years (RV not supercar ). They recommended it to my in-laws when he upgraded his coach. Saved around $16k he says.
shit, with what some RVs cost you could probably buy a fucking ferrari.

but georgia recently went insane on the whole thing and is demanding that owners of exotic cars/RVs pay "their fair share" now, and is sending people with cars registered in other states big ass tax bills, for the whole time you've owned the car.

minnesota too
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/...-registration/

so the whole thing will come to an end eventually, but if he gets a few years out of it, then that's what he gets.

I'm not sure they'll be going after a regular guy with a pickup though, since everything there is obviously about lost tax revenue on 250K+ vehicles.
05-28-2019 10:22 AM
thefishguy77
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Originally Posted by rockdog57 View Post
Iím dumb Gary, but Iím not stupid. All edge tuners or any other tune is by law illegal. Have you ever changed carbs, cams, higher compression pistons, etc..... welp that was illegal. You altered the vehicle. Put a lift on a truck. By god...illegal!


False.

In fact some states have laws letting you know specifically what you have to do when you lift a truck. Once they make those laws it makes the others pretty much null and void.
Example:
http://www.liftlaws.com/washington_lift_laws.htm

And yes you can say the other laws are still on the books.

But remember itís illegal to shoot a whale from a parking metered space in washington.
More than 2 Indians caught off the reservation together between dusk and down constitute a war party and are to be shot on sight.

So yea just because its on the books does not mean its enforceable.



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05-28-2019 08:55 AM
LigBoozer UPS stores rent mailboxes.

They come with physical addresses. Got one in a county that doesn't need smog?

This is YMMV as some businesses don't recognize the address.
05-28-2019 08:43 AM
cj5.5
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Originally Posted by 87manche View Post
the hot ticket for avoiding the taxes on your supercar is registerig it in montana.

there are services that will setup your LLC and shit.
https://www.49dollarmontanaregistere...a-registration
My folks have done it for years (RV not supercar ). They recommended it to my in-laws when he upgraded his coach. Saved around $16k he says.
05-28-2019 08:25 AM
rockdog57
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Originally Posted by SanDiegoCJ View Post
One thing to note, even if the state didn't give a shit it was still illegal under federal law to delete the emissions equipment. Whether you agree with that law or not is irrelevant, you still can get zapped for deleting stuff.
Iím dumb Gary, but Iím not stupid. All edge tuners or any other tune is by law illegal. Have you ever changed carbs, cams, higher compression pistons, etc..... welp that was illegal. You altered the vehicle. Put a lift on a truck. By god...illegal!
05-28-2019 08:12 AM
sceep Here in NM we have one county that requires emissions. Everyone I know in that county, that needs to avoid emissions, registers their vehicles to a post office box in a different county.

Yes the MVD will tell you you cant register it to a PO box. So don't tell them its a PO box.

Example:

PO box 442
69 State Tax Ave
Pissant, UT 99875

Becomes:

69 State Tax Ave
Box 442
Pissant, UT 99875

Now it looks like an apartment and no one is the wiser. And your mail will still make it into that PO box.
05-28-2019 08:04 AM
87manche the hot ticket for avoiding the taxes on your supercar is registerig it in montana.

there are services that will setup your LLC and shit.
https://www.49dollarmontanaregistere...a-registration
05-28-2019 06:40 AM
2big bronco
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Originally Posted by yotee View Post
Was wondering that about CA smog. I need to register a vehicle in my name from my father's name.

If the physical address is in Lake county but the mailing address is Sacramento county, am I not going to be smogging it anymore?


Correct and since the transfer is immediate family it wont need smog the first time you register it in your name either. And if all your other vehicles are getting stored at pops place none of them will need it again
05-28-2019 06:33 AM
SanDiegoCJ
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Originally Posted by cj5.5 View Post
I second the LLC in Montana. Very popular with the RV crowd. There are companies that do just that.
We have a friend that does that with his RV. The corp. in Montana owns the RV and he rents it from the corp.
05-28-2019 06:31 AM
SanDiegoCJ
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Originally Posted by rockdog57 View Post
Welp, I guess you donít know the shit show that went on when these systems failed? Thatís why people deleted them. And no, he knew it had a bigger exhaust on it. He isnít a gearhead. He looked for a low mile used Duramax for a year and a half. He isnít alone. There are thousands of guys in his shoes. I talked a teacher at my school into buying an 08 their old guy neighbor had. He literally would start it and drive it around the block once a month. He traded them in every four years and bought a new one. They bought it last year and low and behold. He had deleted it. Itís for sale now. The guy was an old geeser like me and had it deleted. There is a reason people did that. Boo Hoo!
One thing to note, even if the state didn't give a shit it was still illegal under federal law to delete the emissions equipment. Whether you agree with that law or not is irrelevant, you still can get zapped for deleting stuff.
05-28-2019 06:27 AM
cj5.5 I second the LLC in Montana. Very popular with the RV crowd. There are companies that do just that.
05-28-2019 05:24 AM
rockdog57
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Originally Posted by dave_dj1 View Post
Boo hoo hoo that shit is all on there for a reason, he knew it was gone when he bought it. The reason it's there is for the better of mankind (according to them)
I looked into registering an old CJ7 in another state, it would have been no problem getting the registration but to get it insured I was told would be impossible living in another state.
Welp, I guess you donít know the shit show that went on when these systems failed? Thatís why people deleted them. And no, he knew it had a bigger exhaust on it. He isnít a gearhead. He looked for a low mile used Duramax for a year and a half. He isnít alone. There are thousands of guys in his shoes. I talked a teacher at my school into buying an 08 their old guy neighbor had. He literally would start it and drive it around the block once a month. He traded them in every four years and bought a new one. They bought it last year and low and behold. He had deleted it. Itís for sale now. The guy was an old geeser like me and had it deleted. There is a reason people did that. Boo Hoo!
05-28-2019 05:06 AM
blacksheep10 I have a couple friends that register everything in Montana and South Dakota. The South Dakota one is essentially a railroad gypsy and registering his two new trucks and new toy hauler in new Harley saved him an insane amount of money because there is no property tax and maybe no sales tax I don’t remember. The other friend registers all of his stuff in Montana and it is a similar situation, $1200 to get set up and you are essentially setting up an LLC in that state. The $1200 is for the people to sit in an office in handle all of that shit for you and take care of all of the mailing everything that comes your way and mail your tags. After you pay one time there is nothing to pay every year after that. He has been driving around our Kansas town for a lot of years with Montana tags
05-28-2019 04:55 AM
dave_dj1
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Originally Posted by rockdog57 View Post
It isnít that simple. When the particulate filter is gone. Cat is gone. All the shit on the engine is gone. I know someone with the exact same truck that took it in. They failed it immediately. He asked his options, they said sell it. Iíve read the emissions rules. There are no, spend this much each year and get a pass. It pisses me off to no end. There are tons of guys that are screwed by this. Many like my son, bought the truck deleted without even realizing it.
Boo hoo hoo that shit is all on there for a reason, he knew it was gone when he bought it. The reason it's there is for the better of mankind (according to them)
I looked into registering an old CJ7 in another state, it would have been no problem getting the registration but to get it insured I was told would be impossible living in another state.
05-28-2019 04:53 AM
arse_sidewards
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Originally Posted by 2big bronco View Post
Just a thought... $1000 or less on ebay will buy you a place with an adress that's in a smog exempt county/state. List that as physical adress and use current for mailing. Then charge all his friends $100 to "park and register" thier vehichles there.

Or


I may have in the past completely made up a "phisical" adress in a smog exempt zip code. The dmv doesnt drive around checking those things
This.

I wager you can find a small square of land outside one of those three counties, put a mailbox and a free dilapidated camper on it for less than the cost of parts.
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