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06-25-2019 04:30 PM
Mr.RatBastard
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Originally Posted by xjtony View Post
Cool. So which shocks did you specifically go with? The bronco specific bilsteins?
Front 24-065283
Rear 24-185530

I think the fronts are universal and the rears are specific(I could be wrong about that)
06-25-2019 07:38 AM
xjtony
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Originally Posted by Mr.RatBastard View Post
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Originally Posted by xjtony View Post
So how does it ride with the bilsteins on it now?
It is much better. To me there was definitely a shock issue or just a shock that didn't suit my taste. I did a video before the shock swap and I need to make one in the same area to see if the difference can be seen. Best way to describe it was 1-2" of shock travel with no shock input. The springs were in charge and it had what felt like a constant little bounce going on(very slight but drove me nuts) Now the shocks are doing their job. I was able to drop the bags to 20 psi and the whole thing is close.
Cool. So which shocks did you specifically go with? The bronco specific bilsteins?
06-24-2019 01:26 PM
Mr.RatBastard
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Originally Posted by xjtony View Post
So how does it ride with the bilsteins on it now?
It is much better. To me there was definitely a shock issue or just a shock that didn't suit my taste. I did a video before the shock swap and I need to make one in the same area to see if the difference can be seen. Best way to describe it was 1-2" of shock travel with no shock input. The springs were in charge and it had what felt like a constant little bounce going on(very slight but drove me nuts) Now the shocks are doing their job. I was able to drop the bags to 20 psi and the whole thing is close.
06-24-2019 09:37 AM
mobil1syn sounds like you need to be looking into something like this

https://desolatemotorsports.com/shop...t-coming-soon/
06-24-2019 08:40 AM
CDA 455
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Originally Posted by mobil1syn View Post
TTB has its place, so it would depend on what your end goal is.
Good point.


Wants:
1) 37+"X12.5+" tires
2) One ton brakes
3) Characteristics of a straight axle while offroading.
4) Simple front axle suspension set up.
5) Axle shaft strength to handle 100+:1 gears with said 37+" tires.
6) WMS to WMS width without spacers.
06-24-2019 07:21 AM
mobil1syn
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Originally Posted by CDA 455 View Post
So ditching the TTB for an SAS would simplify and improve front suspension?


BTW; I own a '94 Bronco.
TTB has its place, so it would depend on what your end goal is.
06-24-2019 04:55 AM
xjtony
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Originally Posted by 2big bronco View Post
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Originally Posted by CDA 455 View Post
So ditching the TTB for an SAS would simplify and improve front suspension?


BTW; I own a '94 Bronco.
Sorta but in stockish form there isnt much wrong with TV. Btw late 70s f150 stuff is almost bolt in. It's not hard at all to swap it in in a long day if you have everything in front of you.
Several of my old friends had Broncos/f150s that we solid axle swapped in like 79 ford Dana 44 front axles with the factory ford radius arm style suspension. Worked fine. My old xj was done that way because of it.
06-23-2019 08:28 PM
2big bronco
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Originally Posted by CDA 455 View Post
So ditching the TTB for an SAS would simplify and improve front suspension?


BTW; I own a '94 Bronco.
Sorta but in stockish form there isnt much wrong with TV. Btw late 70s f150 stuff is almost bolt in. It's not hard at all to swap it in in a long day if you have everything in front of you.
06-23-2019 08:03 PM
xjtony So how does it ride with the bilsteins on it now?
06-23-2019 05:38 PM
CDA 455 So ditching the TTB for an SAS would simplify and improve front suspension?


BTW; I own a '94 Bronco.
06-18-2019 02:17 PM
Mr.RatBastard
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Originally Posted by Beat95YJ View Post
You are talking about the fact that the bilsteins are high pressure monotubes, while the BDS are lower pressure (if at all) twin tubes. Extension on the bench is not a good indicator of rebound damping. If it was, FYI slower is stiffer (more rebound)
Gotcha

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Originally Posted by mobil1syn View Post
attached are a few pictures, two frames supports is not enough, plus i didnt like where the shock ends up on their and the other hoops.



thats because they are a shock without an IFP.
Very nice setup. I am trying to keep the damn thing simple. Next thing you know I will be doing a major build. I have enough builds going onto keep me busy for awhile. I would love to copy your setup and I might have tried if I asked more questions early on. Now it's time to drive it for awhile.
Thanks for all the input everybody. I will update after some miles are on it.
06-18-2019 01:41 PM
mobil1syn
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Originally Posted by Mr.RatBastard View Post
Good to know. Did you do upper mounts like this?
attached are a few pictures, two frames supports is not enough, plus i didnt like where the shock ends up on their and the other hoops.

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Originally Posted by Mr.RatBastard View Post
I do know and that was really what the whole thread was about. The two sets of brand new shocks I have are so soft you can easily compress them by hand. I was concerned that meant they were actually for a 4 shock front end so I was trying to get verification my third set would be for a single shock per side setup. The new Bilsteins are way different than what I have. Good or bad we will see. I think they will allow me to drop the air bag pressure down and gain a little control of the springs.
thats because they are a shock without an IFP.
06-18-2019 01:18 PM
Beat95YJ
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Originally Posted by Mr.RatBastard View Post
I could be ass backwards but my reason for thinking I have minimal rebound was that BDS shocks are weak and slow to rebound and the Bilsteins rebound quickly with authority on the bench anyway. I know that is a over simplification but that's it.
The Bilsteins were bought to address the compression damping. The BDS are also have very weak compression damping imo. I don't think the truck even knows there are shocks on it. After driving it about 50 miles today I am thinking it has more to do with the shocks than anything else.

Anyone want to buy some BDS nitro shocks? They are great.
I also have a set of Superlift shocks, never even opened the box.
You are talking about the fact that the bilsteins are high pressure monotubes, while the BDS are lower pressure (if at all) twin tubes. Extension on the bench is not a good indicator of rebound damping. If it was, FYI slower is stiffer (more rebound)
06-18-2019 01:07 PM
welndmn
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Originally Posted by arse_sidewards View Post
What is it about the TTB that turns people into mullet wearin', trailer livin', sister fuckin' idiots incapable of understanding middle school level geometry?

As far as the shock cares there's nothing special about the TTB. It's no more demanding of shocks than any other IFS. If anything it's less demanding because the motion ratio between the shock and the wheel is greater than that of your typical A-arm IFS with suspension pivots much closer to the wheel. The Monroe and KYB budget line shocks work tolerably enough on every other IFS vehicle. They work fine on TTB trucks.

Cheap standard shocks cause large amounts of tire wear on TTB because of the massive camber changes.
Do you know what un even tire wear is, the lack of contact with the ground.
06-18-2019 12:37 PM
Mr.RatBastard Bilstein's are on. It's a definite improvement. I dropped the bags to 25psi. What it feels like is the BDS shocks did nothing for the first inch or so of travel so it was in a constant state of motion, now it's not. I will report back if I don't think this is accurate after I put a few miles on it.
06-18-2019 11:14 AM
arse_sidewards
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Originally Posted by welndmn View Post
So you agree?
Or you think the standard white box shocks that are still package with every lift kit are somehow different that the ones from the 80's?
White shocks are white shocks
What is it about the TTB that turns people into mullet wearin', trailer livin', sister fuckin' idiots incapable of understanding middle school level geometry?

As far as the shock cares there's nothing special about the TTB. It's no more demanding of shocks than any other IFS. If anything it's less demanding because the motion ratio between the shock and the wheel is greater than that of your typical A-arm IFS with suspension pivots much closer to the wheel. The Monroe and KYB budget line shocks work tolerably enough on every other IFS vehicle. They work fine on TTB trucks.
06-18-2019 10:55 AM
welndmn
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Originally Posted by arse_sidewards View Post
Ford put quad shocks on the Broncos and F150s that came with that option because it was the 80s and good shocks were few and far between so it was basically their "performance" option.

There's nothing special about the TTB that requires an extra shock.
So you agree?
Or you think the standard white box shocks that are still package with every lift kit are somehow different that the ones from the 80's?
White shocks are white shocks
06-18-2019 10:43 AM
Mr.RatBastard
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Originally Posted by Beat95YJ View Post
Where do you get the idea that you have minimal rebound now? You have shit twin tubes that are likely pretty high in rebound. All your complaints are about compression damping in the OP.
I could be ass backwards but my reason for thinking I have minimal rebound was that BDS shocks are weak and slow to rebound and the Bilsteins rebound quickly with authority on the bench anyway. I know that is a over simplification but that's it.
The Bilsteins were bought to address the compression damping. The BDS are also have very weak compression damping imo. I don't think the truck even knows there are shocks on it. After driving it about 50 miles today I am thinking it has more to do with the shocks than anything else.

Anyone want to buy some BDS nitro shocks? They are great.
I also have a set of Superlift shocks, never even opened the box.
06-18-2019 09:39 AM
Mr.RatBastard a pair of bolt in performance series shocks would be ideal, atleast then you could revalve them to get the ride quality you are after.



bags keep the ass end from sagging and keeps the steering happy, once the rear sags and the front droops you get some toe in and that creates the wandering. played that game once and it was uh, interesting to say the least. especially a crossed the expansion joints on the highway. what this also does is makes the front do all the work since the rear becomes 'stiff' even unloaded. good luck
I would say the rear is over sprung at this point and it is unbalanced(I still prefer it to dragging my elbows going around corners)But it's not right yet, no doubt. I should be able to drop the bags down with the new shocks.

fyi - on my coilovers im running a 169 combined rate (275/400)

Good to know. Did you do upper mounts like this?





id cancel the order and call accutune
They are here and I am going to try them out. I may be totally wrong about this but I will post the results either way. These are night and day with the BDS shocks so good or bad it will be different.

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Originally Posted by welndmn View Post
If you did not know, off the shelf shocks for Bronco/F150 are valved different for single shock, or dual shock front ends, so make sure you buy correctly, I don't know how Bilstien makes their part numbers.
Ford also didn't put 2 shocks on the front end as a nice feature, you need more damping to control the TTB. While the Bilstien is a quality shock, I don't think 1 will do, you need to step up to a 2.5 inch shock or dual shocks if you want performance out of it.
I do know and that was really what the whole thread was about. The two sets of brand new shocks I have are so soft you can easily compress them by hand. I was concerned that meant they were actually for a 4 shock front end so I was trying to get verification my third set would be for a single shock per side setup. The new Bilsteins are way different than what I have. Good or bad we will see. I think they will allow me to drop the air bag pressure down and gain a little control of the springs.
06-18-2019 09:37 AM
Beat95YJ
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Originally Posted by Mr.RatBastard View Post
I second all of this. TTB likes minimal rebound.

It has that now and it may love it, I don't.
Where do you get the idea that you have minimal rebound now? You have shit twin tubes that are likely pretty high in rebound. All your complaints are about compression damping in the OP.
06-18-2019 08:18 AM
arse_sidewards
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Originally Posted by welndmn View Post
If you did not know, off the shelf shocks for Bronco/F150 are valved different for single shock, or dual shock front ends, so make sure you buy correctly, I don't know how Bilstien makes their part numbers.
Ford also didn't put 2 shocks on the front end as a nice feature, you need more damping to control the TTB. While the Bilstien is a quality shock, I don't think 1 will do, you need to step up to a 2.5 inch shock or dual shocks if you want performance out of it.
Ford put quad shocks on the Broncos and F150s that came with that option because it was the 80s and good shocks were few and far between so it was basically their "performance" option.

There's nothing special about the TTB that requires an extra shock.
06-18-2019 08:12 AM
welndmn If you did not know, off the shelf shocks for Bronco/F150 are valved different for single shock, or dual shock front ends, so make sure you buy correctly, I don't know how Bilstien makes their part numbers.
Ford also didn't put 2 shocks on the front end as a nice feature, you need more damping to control the TTB. While the Bilstien is a quality shock, I don't think 1 will do, you need to step up to a 2.5 inch shock or dual shocks if you want performance out of it.
06-18-2019 07:57 AM
mobil1syn
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Originally Posted by Mr.RatBastard View Post
A few dollars more and I will go back to the drawing board. I don't want to get in it much more at this point. A lot of people would be happy with the way it's driving.
a pair of bolt in performance series shocks would be ideal, atleast then you could revalve them to get the ride quality you are after.

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Originally Posted by Mr.RatBastard View Post

Bags improved the handling for now and was far less sketchy towing than it was before. The steering angle is as close as it can get at the moment. There is very slight bump steer and it's magnified by the marsh mellows holding the front end up.. Oversprung as in too stiff? any softer would be wet noodles.

Superlift 6" coil 445lb free length 21.5"
Procomp 4" coil 475lb 18.750"
Stock 366lb 15.8"
bags keep the ass end from sagging and keeps the steering happy, once the rear sags and the front droops you get some toe in and that creates the wandering. played that game once and it was uh, interesting to say the least. especially a crossed the expansion joints on the highway. what this also does is makes the front do all the work since the rear becomes 'stiff' even unloaded. good luck

fyi - on my coilovers im running a 169 combined rate (275/400)

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Originally Posted by Mr.RatBastard View Post
The Bilteins are on the way I will update if they made it worse or better.
id cancel the order and call accutune
06-18-2019 06:23 AM
Mr.RatBastard The Bilteins are on the way I will update if they made it worse or better.
06-18-2019 06:19 AM
Mr.RatBastard OP needs to grow a pair. It's not gonna handle like a car. Deal.

It would be nice if it drove like a truck. I don't need a 70's Eldorado.

Everyone saying sway bars need to pull their heads out of their asses. Any sway bar stiff enough to keep something with 6" lift coils (have you seen the kinds of spring rates TTB lift coils have?) from being all over the road is going to seriously compromise handling in other ways.

Especially since it has the sway bar on it.



This is spot on.

Bags improved the handling for now and was far less sketchy towing than it was before. The steering angle is as close as it can get at the moment. There is very slight bump steer and it's magnified by the marsh mellows holding the front end up.. Oversprung as in too stiff? any softer would be wet noodles.

Superlift 6" coil 445lb free length 21.5"
Procomp 4" coil 475lb 18.750"
Stock 366lb 15.8"



I second all of this. TTB likes minimal rebound.

It has that now and it may love it, I don't.
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