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11-05-2019 11:44 AM
H8DWINGS
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Originally Posted by EverNoob View Post
A man did not break a Law, and now he is pleading guilty to a crime in order to avoid a costly Prosecution.
Yup. Plead guilty to a lesser charge because you can't afford the legal team it would take to beat Walmart and the DA in court. Wayne Lapierre and his friends aren't coming with the NRA-ILA doctors and Gun Owners of America doesn't see the importance of fighting this with the kid. Happens all the time to people all over the country. Maybe he should start a Go Fund Me and have the internet spread his message of stupidity all over the internet. Maybe pressure the judge to drop all charges and go after the person who pulled a gun in a parking lot, or pulled the fire alarm in a public building when no fire or danger was present.
11-05-2019 11:00 AM
JunkyTJ
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Originally Posted by JunkyTJ View Post
He's stupid. That's pretty plain. You don't get all tacticooled up and go wandering through walmart the day after some dumbass shoots up a walmart in today's climate.

If being stupid were a crime, he would rightfully be in jail and so would a bunch of other motherfuckers.

If he didn't threaten anyone, unsling his weapon, or point it anyone I think they are going to have a hard time proving he is the one that incited panic. If the manager pulled the fire alarm, he is supposed to go out the nearest fire exit. Definitely not wrong in that. He was videoing himself the whole time, so my guess is he didn't threaten anyone.

My bet is he will be charged and either found innocent or charges reduced to something the prosecutor hopes he will agree to so that face is saved. He sees himself as a 2A hero and will refuse and take this to court to get a ruling so he can file suit on everyone involved. The prosecutor will appeal for a long time to prevent that happening.
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Originally Posted by Landslide View Post
Didn't count on him being a puss.
11-04-2019 09:01 PM
Provience
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Originally Posted by badtux View Post
2/3rds of murders are done with guns. I've been there when a drive-by shooting happened, I dived behind a wall, not scared, exactly (I've had a gun pointed at me before, this gun wasn't pointed at me), but under the impression that keeping a low profile was the best way to avoid being hit by a stray bullet. I've never been there when a drive-by hammering happened and never had to worry about a stray hammer flying through the air and killing me. Not quite sure how that would work. Would they throw hammers out the car window? Or would they set up a trebuchet in the back of a pickup truck, fill it with hammers, and sproing?

Anyhow, the guy was arrested at Walmart for trespassing after being asked to leave for causing a disruption, not for carrying a gun. Stores have the right to serve or not serve who they want, as long as it's not based on an officially protected class like race or religion. Walmart decided they didn't want to serve this jerk. That's their right. It's their private property, they have the right to decide who gets to be on it or not. It's called property rights, and only Communists are against them.
huh.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ta-table-8.xls

so yeah, firearms of all types are about 2/3 of homicides.

oddly enough, rifles are used in 2.3% of all homicides. less than blunt objects. so yeah, the guy with the rifle on his back is less likely to kill you with it, statistically, than the guy buying a tennis racket.
11-04-2019 08:58 PM
Provience
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Originally Posted by waterhorse View Post
Where did you get this? I didn't read this anywhere. The "update" article said he plead guilty to threatening walmart on the internet.
you are correct from everything I've been able to find.

had this guy not posted a picture before the event saying "watch out Walmart" with a picture of his gun, then he would not have been held on charges.

sure...the picture alone is just free speech.

sure...just carrying a gun in a business that allows it is just free travel

BUT taking the threat (speech) and adding ability and action (going in there in costume with a weapon) elevates it to a crime.

if this dipshit hadn't posted the picture online he would have been just fine and the other dipshit that pulled the fire alarm might have learned to not be so judgmental.
11-04-2019 07:11 PM
thefishguy77
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Originally Posted by EverNoob View Post
This is not a discussion of your personal history.



This is a discussion about how the Law can be granularized to a point where the intention of the Constitution is violated to fit convenience and sentiment.



A man did not break a Law, and now he is pleading guilty to a crime in order to avoid a costly Prosecution.



That Prosecution was brought forward because he was carrying a gun. That prosecution was not brought forward because he was trespassing. The Trespassing charge is predicated on the gun.



You are providing an excuse for a giant corporation to discriminate against a large number of their customer base while claiming that they are not. I doubt you are an advocate for Giant Corporations, but you did that as a matter of convenience because you dislike guns. Walmart has every right to discriminate against people carrying guns, but then they must face social and financial consequences for that position. That is, unless they are excused by people like you, who act as their Agents.



You are also making the point that Citizens need to petition the Government to exist. You're correct, and that is a problem.



Your final point about Communists is a slap in the face to the board, because you are aware that conservative gun owners are naive and prone to baiting.



You are a near perfect example of the effectiveness of the Global Corp/anti-enlightenment/anti-individual Coaltion. I have no doubt you'll be richly rewarded for your social and political opinions. That success then counting as evidence that you are right, and all of us dumbasses are wrong.



I should just give up and join you instead of defending any particle of the dumbasses represented on this board. But I have something inside of me that just won't allow me to do it. I've tried.


Does your mom not limit your internet time anymore? For fucks sakes. Just go back to you dungeons and dragons game and let the adults talk.


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11-04-2019 07:09 PM
EverNoob
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Originally Posted by thefishguy77 View Post
You on the other hand have advocated as much or more violence than OB.
weak
11-04-2019 06:56 PM
EverNoob
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Originally Posted by badtux View Post
2/3rds of murders are done with guns. I've been there when a drive-by shooting happened, I dived behind a wall, not scared, exactly (I've had a gun pointed at me before, this gun wasn't pointed at me), but under the impression that keeping a low profile was the best way to avoid being hit by a stray bullet. I've never been there when a drive-by hammering happened and never had to worry about a stray hammer flying through the air and killing me. Not quite sure how that would work. Would they throw hammers out the car window? Or would they set up a trebuchet in the back of a pickup truck, fill it with hammers, and sproing?

Anyhow, the guy was arrested at Walmart for trespassing after being asked to leave for causing a disruption, not for carrying a gun. Stores have the right to serve or not serve who they want, as long as it's not based on an officially protected class like race or religion. Walmart decided they didn't want to serve this jerk. That's their right. It's their private property, they have the right to decide who gets to be on it or not. It's called property rights, and only Communists are against them.
This is not a discussion of your personal history.

This is a discussion about how the Law can be granularized to a point where the intention of the Constitution is violated to fit convenience and sentiment.

A man did not break a Law, and now he is pleading guilty to a crime in order to avoid a costly Prosecution.

That Prosecution was brought forward because he was carrying a gun. That prosecution was not brought forward because he was trespassing. The Trespassing charge is predicated on the gun.

You are providing an excuse for a giant corporation to discriminate against a large number of their customer base while claiming that they are not. I doubt you are an advocate for Giant Corporations, but you did that as a matter of convenience because you dislike guns. Walmart has every right to discriminate against people carrying guns, but then they must face social and financial consequences for that position. That is, unless they are excused by people like you, who act as their Agents.

You are also making the point that Citizens need to petition the Government to exist. You're correct, and that is a problem.

Your final point about Communists is a slap in the face to the board, because you are aware that conservative gun owners are naive and prone to baiting.

You are a near perfect example of the effectiveness of the Global Corp/anti-enlightenment/anti-individual Coaltion. I have no doubt you'll be richly rewarded for your social and political opinions. That success then counting as evidence that you are right, and all of us dumbasses are wrong.

I should just give up and join you instead of defending any particle of the dumbasses represented on this board. But I have something inside of me that just won't allow me to do it. I've tried.
11-04-2019 06:52 PM
Stuckntx
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Originally Posted by EverNoob View Post
I just deleted the irrelevant stuff. Just so everyone is on the same page.
  1. This was a battle in the Civil War
  2. This is a Win for the Globalists/Urbans/Elites/Anti-European coalition, and a loss for American Nationalists/Patriots/Conservatives/Populists coalition (as usual).
  3. It shows that, like Immigration, the Polity of the United States will not follow the lawful direction of the Citizenry.



That's what's going on here. All of the rest of the details, what 'Gun Rights Advocates' spend most of their time chewing on, is nothing more than you licking your wounds after the defeat.

A Citizen did not break a Law, and he is being penalized.

You need to frame this event properly before you argue about it and discuss it.

Stop playing the Victim. This was a Battle in a Civil War, and you lost. Confront that.
Shut the fuck up dumbass.
11-04-2019 06:06 PM
waterhorse
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Originally Posted by badtux View Post
Anyhow, the guy was arrested at Walmart for trespassing after being asked to leave for causing a disruption, not for carrying a gun.
Where did you get this? I didn't read this anywhere. The "update" article said he plead guilty to threatening walmart on the internet.
11-04-2019 05:48 PM
badtux 2/3rds of murders are done with guns. I've been there when a drive-by shooting happened, I dived behind a wall, not scared, exactly (I've had a gun pointed at me before, this gun wasn't pointed at me), but under the impression that keeping a low profile was the best way to avoid being hit by a stray bullet. I've never been there when a drive-by hammering happened and never had to worry about a stray hammer flying through the air and killing me. Not quite sure how that would work. Would they throw hammers out the car window? Or would they set up a trebuchet in the back of a pickup truck, fill it with hammers, and sproing?

Anyhow, the guy was arrested at Walmart for trespassing after being asked to leave for causing a disruption, not for carrying a gun. Stores have the right to serve or not serve who they want, as long as it's not based on an officially protected class like race or religion. Walmart decided they didn't want to serve this jerk. That's their right. It's their private property, they have the right to decide who gets to be on it or not. It's called property rights, and only Communists are against them.
11-04-2019 05:45 PM
thefishguy77
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Originally Posted by EverNoob View Post
I just deleted the irrelevant stuff. Just so everyone is on the same page.


  1. This was a battle in the Civil War
  2. This is a Win for the Globalists/Urbans/Elites/Anti-European coalition, and a loss for American Nationalists/Patriots/Conservatives/Populists coalition (as usual).
  3. It shows that, like Immigration, the Polity of the United States will not follow the lawful direction of the Citizenry.







That's what's going on here. All of the rest of the details, what 'Gun Rights Advocates' spend most of their time chewing on, is nothing more than you licking your wounds after the defeat.



A Citizen did not break a Law, and he is being penalized.



You need to frame this event properly before you argue about it and discuss it.



Stop playing the Victim. This was a Battle in a Civil War, and you lost. Confront that.


Says the one guy in his own post that cant buy a gun...

We are trying to use words to communicate. Maybe to indirectly avoid a civil war. You on the other hand have advocated as much or more violence than OB. But what do we expect from a coward that had to best women. Incite incite incite. Then hide behind a woman and use her as a shield.




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11-04-2019 05:22 PM
EverNoob
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Dumbass
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Som.
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I just deleted the irrelevant stuff. Just so everyone is on the same page.
  1. This was a battle in the Civil War
  2. This is a Win for the Globalists/Urbans/Elites/Anti-European coalition, and a loss for American Nationalists/Patriots/Conservatives/Populists coalition (as usual).
  3. It shows that, like Immigration, the Polity of the United States will not follow the lawful direction of the Citizenry.



That's what's going on here. All of the rest of the details, what 'Gun Rights Advocates' spend most of their time chewing on, is nothing more than you licking your wounds after the defeat.

A Citizen did not break a Law, and he is being penalized.

You need to frame this event properly before you argue about it and discuss it.

Stop playing the Victim. This was a Battle in a Civil War, and you lost. Confront that.
11-04-2019 05:18 PM
Action Fab Probablems like this wouldn't exist is people had the autonomy to handle their own self-defense.

Two fold:

A) Dip shit wouldn't be trying to test the fragility of patrons in the Walmart

B) Patrons would have the self-assurance needed to take care of themselves. Much like the Fire Fighter did. Instead of fleeing, society would have checked the attention whore at the front door, instead of the back door.
11-04-2019 05:15 PM
thefishguy77
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Originally Posted by XJben View Post
takes about .01 second for the situation to change. Lots of shootings start with the shooter being in the crowd and acting 'cool'



I'm out of that guys line of sight carrying an AR and mags in any situation. There are evil/dumb/ignorant/stupid/retarded/cracked out/clueless people everywhere.


Correct and you are far more likely to be killed by one of those people using their fist, feet, a hammer for that matter. But yea lets be scared of the less than 4% vs handguns that sit inside of coats and sweatshirt pockets, or holsters on belts.


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11-04-2019 05:10 PM
XJben
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Originally Posted by H8DWINGS View Post
There is a substantial difference between someone with a tacticool vest with mags in it and an AR on their back walking up to me asking if I know where the pickles are, and someone pointing a gun at my family. If you can't recognize the difference I'll just say it's the equivalent of those "book nerds" wearing red and "gangster limping" walking around the mall asking me where GameStop is.
takes about .01 second for the situation to change. Lots of shootings start with the shooter being in the crowd and acting 'cool'

I'm out of that guys line of sight carrying an AR and mags in any situation. There are evil/dumb/ignorant/stupid/retarded/cracked out/clueless people everywhere.
11-04-2019 04:57 PM
thefishguy77
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Originally Posted by Harry Johnson View Post
You realize that's exactly how our justice system works right? You get a worse penalty if the action was premeditated.


Your talking about premeditated CRIME correct? If so your statement is invalid as he committed no crime...



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11-04-2019 04:49 PM
Harry Johnson
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Originally Posted by thefishguy77 View Post
So you excuse criminal action as long as its in the “heat of the moment”. Yet deliberate planning that involves no criminal action is inexcusable to you?

Tell me you at least understand why we all think your thought process needs work?


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You realize that's exactly how our justice system works right? You get a worse penalty if the action was premeditated.
11-04-2019 04:30 PM
thefishguy77
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Originally Posted by Harry Johnson View Post
Yeah dude. One action was premediated, the other in the heat of the moment. If nothing happened that day, firefighter would have gone about his business without causing a problem.. The little YouTuber, not so much.



That's why there are different degrees of a murder charge and different punishments levied for each.


So you excuse criminal action as long as its in the “heat of the moment”. Yet deliberate planning that involves no criminal action is inexcusable to you?

Tell me you at least understand why we all think your thought process needs work?


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11-04-2019 04:26 PM
Harry Johnson
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Originally Posted by H8DWINGS View Post
So the kid was 100% legal in what he did (open carry, wearing nothing illegal) and he should be busted on a bullshit charge.

The fire fighter who pulls his gun on someone walking out of Walmart with a rifle on their back should PROBABLY get into some SORT of trouble.

wow. Totally logical.
Yeah dude. One action was premediated, the other in the heat of the moment. If nothing happened that day, firefighter would have gone about his business without causing a problem.. The little YouTuber, not so much.

That's why there are different degrees of a murder charge and different punishments levied for each.
11-04-2019 03:33 PM
H8DWINGS
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Originally Posted by Toyota97 View Post
So someone like this dumbass walks up to your family and you congratulate him? I think not tough guy.
There is a substantial difference between someone with a tacticool vest with mags in it and an AR on their back walking up to me asking if I know where the pickles are, and someone pointing a gun at my family. If you can't recognize the difference I'll just say it's the equivalent of those "book nerds" wearing red and "gangster limping" walking around the mall asking me where GameStop is.
11-04-2019 03:04 PM
thefishguy77
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Originally Posted by Aisin View Post
I grew up in a township of about 900 people. I saw multiple people open carrying on a daily basis. Please keep your Mary ass inside if guns offend you.


Yup^^^ Its a daily thing around me. Never bothered me in the least. But I also was taught to respect guns not fear them.


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11-04-2019 02:53 PM
Aisin
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Originally Posted by Toyota97 View Post
So someone like this dumbass walks up to your family and you congratulate him? I think not tough guy.
I grew up in a township of about 900 people. I saw multiple people open carrying on a daily basis. Please keep your Mary ass inside if guns offend you.
11-04-2019 02:41 PM
thefishguy77
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Originally Posted by H8DWINGS View Post
So the kid was 100% legal in what he did (open carry, wearing nothing illegal) and he should be busted on a bullshit charge.



The fire fighter who pulls his gun on someone walking out of Walmart with a rifle on their back should PROBABLY get into some SORT of trouble.



wow. Totally logical.


He is showing more and more why the Democratic/Liberal party is laughed at. They have been conditioned to believe in fairness and feelings and not logic.

Sadly if you go back and read the 1963 communist manifesto that was read into congress you will see they appear to have successfully accomplished many of their goals.


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11-04-2019 02:24 PM
H8DWINGS
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There's still a chance that he can be busted on some bullshit charge though, so I'm rooting for that because it was an asshole move on his part.

Your firefighter buddy was scared, and should have stayed in his lane, but instead he paniced and drew on the kid. He should probably get into some sort of trouble for what he did, but I'm not sure I would have done any better in his situation. It's easy to say what is the right thing to do behind a keyboard. It's another when you're right there and you've got a second to decide what to do.
So the kid was 100% legal in what he did (open carry, wearing nothing illegal) and he should be busted on a bullshit charge.

The fire fighter who pulls his gun on someone walking out of Walmart with a rifle on their back should PROBABLY get into some SORT of trouble.

wow. Totally logical.
11-04-2019 02:22 PM
H8DWINGS
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Originally Posted by Harry Johnson View Post
Ah.. put yourself in that employee's shoes. Less than a month prior, a walmart in Texas got shot up and people are talking about it. Now a kid comes in all kitted out. Lets be honest with ourselves here, this isn't Juarez Mexico or downtown Chicago were talking about, there's no reason to be wearing any of that to go shopping. So as a walkmart employee making minumum wage, are you going to approach this guy and as him what his deal is, or are you going to gtfo?
I did. In no way was it acceptable to pull the fire alarm when there wasn't a fire. If anyone should be charged it should be her. As a Walmart employee if I see a customer I think is suspicious I'm going to call the manager or my supervisor, and let them handle it. Maybe they'll talk to him. Maybe the police will talk to him. Maybe it's all airsoft shit and the kid is buying gas and pellets because he can play in the hills behind the Walmart in town legally so there is no need to pull the fire alarm and try to evacuate the entire store because I decided I know more than anyone else and what I know is this guy is going to shoot up the store if I don't evacuate the building and save everyone.

All I've learned from this situation is it is acceptable to pull the fire alarm at Walmart if I think someone is going to shoot the place up. Better watch out because it's hunting season. I wouldn't want someone coming in wearing tan and orange. They probably have guns too.

Ever thought part of the plan was to shoot people as they walk out when the fire alarm is pulled?

There is no reason to be wearing a trench coat in summer, or camouflage in public yet people do it. There is no reason to have a vehicle capable of traveling above the speed limit but people have them. As the DA you'd probably never have to explain why you think "no reason" only applies to specific cases.
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