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10-08-2019 06:14 PM
kapie9969
The race to the bottom.

I drove big rigs for years. A million and a half accident-free miles plus. Trucking companies hire training school graduates and suffer much from accidents and court costs. They have a 100% turnover rate. A wealthy friend pointed out that if the trucking companies just paid a decent wage. Many drivers would want to work there, they could pick from experienced drivers with good records. I hate to say it but many truck drivers are the same angry immature person you seeing road raging in a car. The original post, Your company is cheap and being stupid about what saves money. Time to find a better job, work for yourself. I wonder if the same job with a different company would have the same results? Pay and treatment wise.
10-07-2019 08:44 AM
Frozen ZJ
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Originally Posted by Roc Doc View Post
No. We just make 'em and fill up our warehouses till they are full, then to make room we throw away the oldest products in the worlds biggest dumpster.

WTF?
10-07-2019 08:41 AM
Roc Doc
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Originally Posted by TireFryerSS View Post
All bs aside, does your company have a need to transport those components?
No. We just make 'em and fill up our warehouses till they are full, then to make room we throw away the oldest products in the worlds biggest dumpster.

WTF?
10-04-2019 04:22 PM
44Runner
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Originally Posted by mountainguyed67 View Post
Bosses could feel threatened by you. Unfortunately, many base their decisions on themselves instead of what’s best for the company.
I have heard this theory more than once. I didn't used to think it held up. I think there is actually some truth to it now that I have learned more about how things work. That being said, I don't *think* it is a factor in this particular instance but I could be mistaken. Either way there is nothing I can do about it if it is the case.
10-04-2019 02:01 PM
mountainguyed67 Bosses could feel threatened by you. Unfortunately, many base their decisions on themselves instead of what’s best for the company.
10-04-2019 08:51 AM
rockota
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Originally Posted by 44Runner View Post
Highlighting is not all you did. You removed words.

Your quote:



The ACTUAL quote:
I removed nothing, dude. Go read your first post again.
10-04-2019 08:47 AM
44Runner
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Originally Posted by rockota View Post
Highlighting is “doctoring?”
Highlighting is not all you did. You removed words.

Your quote:

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Originally Posted by 44Runner View Post
No I didn't. In fact just the opposite. I never once equated getting a degree to being the best and brightest. You made that leap all on your own.
The ACTUAL quote:

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Originally Posted by 44Runner View Post
No I didn't. In fact just the opposite. I started this thread by saying I am actually getting a lot of recognition for it. Just not from the company that you would think would be the easiest for me to get recognition from. I never once equated getting a degree to being the best and brightest. You made that leap all on your own.
10-04-2019 08:32 AM
bdkw1
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Originally Posted by Lil'John View Post
In the past, I got to watch a company play this game... going from keeping 'the best' to 'we have to meet diversity goals'. I was lucky to get out but the company started having issues meeting milestones since they started the 'not even the same ballpark but diverse' game.
Same reason I left my last job. The HR lady was doing everything she could to promote diversity with zero regard to actual ability's and performance. She got the axe shortly after I left
10-04-2019 06:43 AM
rockota
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Originally Posted by 44Runner View Post
Nice doctoring of the original quote.
Highlighting is “doctoring?”
10-03-2019 10:34 PM
EverNoob
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Originally Posted by 44Runner View Post
I know you are right. I have known it for a long time. I think there was a small part of me that thought if I worked really hard I could change the way the game is played at least where I am concerned (super naive I know). The other large part of me didn't have a whole lot of options because my wife just plain would not move out of the area and I couldn't find another job that would pay even close to what I was making. Working hard worked really well for a while until I stalled out and decided to go back to school to see if I could add some extra differentiation to the mix or at least allow myself to jump ship and get paid the same or better. But far from not being able to change the game for myself, I have now seen people that are smarter, harder working, and just all around better than I in this large group of smartie pants people I go to school with dealing with the EXACT same garbage I am dealing with. Once again, I knew this was an issue but it is alarming to see how prevalent it really is.
Demoralizing shit, seems like you're on the well-trodden path of starting your own enterprise.

How good would it make you feel paying your employees a dignified wage while making boatloads of money? Imagine if you could promote that guy who is you.

There are other heartbreaks running your own business but just think, you could definitely fix that for a while. Until you get too successful and the stock buyout is too attractive and you let a bunch of inhuman Chinese investors come in and swamp everybody in a Coolie-labor replacement scheme for your $10 mil you quite obviously deserve for being a good, smart, hard-workin' man.

What's the best line in the film Unforgiven?

No really you should go into business with your idealism and hard work and shit.
10-03-2019 10:23 PM
44Runner
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Originally Posted by EverNoob View Post
Job hopping has already been in general media as the best way to increase incomes. It's not the 1970s, no one is going to reward you for being loyal.

Job hopping is not a red flag anymore. Companies get tax credits for educating you, so you going to college already made them money. They don't need to waste paperwork moving you around, as you have already demonstrated you are willing to work even harder for the same exact pay.

Why should they pay you more when you have nothing to offer them? They already have people doing things, they are already making money. Companies don't become more efficient promoting people. They become more efficient conducting a downsizing bloodbath and letting the scared peasants fight for the remaining positions when opportunities do open up.

When you leave the company with the tens of thousands in education in your pocket, the rest of us get to pay for that by making up the tax liability the company is excused from for 're-educating' you.

It's funny that you have a graduate degree and 16 years experience and don't even know this basic Corporate dick-pulling. I'm not even being remotely cynical about this.
I know you are right. I have known it for a long time. I think there was a small part of me that thought if I worked really hard I could change the way the game is played at least where I am concerned (super naive I know). The other large part of me didn't have a whole lot of options because my wife just plain would not move out of the area and I couldn't find another job that would pay even close to what I was making. Working hard worked really well for a while until I stalled out and decided to go back to school to see if I could add some extra differentiation to the mix or at least allow myself to jump ship and get paid the same or better. But far from not being able to change the game for myself, I have now seen people that are smarter, harder working, and just all around better than I in this large group of smartie pants people I go to school with dealing with the EXACT same garbage I am dealing with. Once again, I knew this was an issue but it is alarming to see how prevalent it really is.

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Originally Posted by WTF? View Post
Lighten up sally, I never called you anything; just shared a general observation about a group of people, whom you have the potential to become.


... Although a little self eval/ inventory may be in order Since in your own description, your current employer is 'Far from making an effort' to capitalize on the offer you have 'made clearly to be your first choice' of parties to have the opportunity to give you a promotion and pay bump. ( and 'you weren't kidding either!' ) , But yet it seems like they have chosen not to use much of the 'all the resources in the world' to have the opportunity to 'make you happy' by giving you the job that you're 'easily the most qualified person in the company for' so that you can 'have a positive impact' and 'Showcase your new & improved value'.


I'm not sure how I got the impression that an ego-check may be in order.
I never said I wasn't a prick, just that it was ironic to be called one by you...
10-03-2019 09:30 PM
EverNoob Job hopping has already been in general media as the best way to increase incomes. It's not the 1970s, no one is going to reward you for being loyal.

Job hopping is not a red flag anymore. Companies get tax credits for educating you, so you going to college already made them money. They don't need to waste paperwork moving you around, as you have already demonstrated you are willing to work even harder for the same exact pay.

Why should they pay you more when you have nothing to offer them? They already have people doing things, they are already making money. Companies don't become more efficient promoting people. They become more efficient conducting a downsizing bloodbath and letting the scared peasants fight for the remaining positions when opportunities do open up.

When you leave the company with the tens of thousands in education in your pocket, the rest of us get to pay for that by making up the tax liability the company is excused from for 're-educating' you.

It's funny that you have a graduate degree and 16 years experience and don't even know this basic Corporate dick-pulling. I'm not even being remotely cynical about this.
10-03-2019 09:15 PM
Gslander
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Originally Posted by WTF? View Post
Perhaps a large part of the issue is caused by every MBA program on earth convincing their soon-to-be grads that they will walk on water, and some company might be lucky enough for them to bestow their new 'knowledge' upon them thus instantly transforming the entire landscape of the corporate world upon their graduation???

Seriously, Congrats on making it through the program while holding down a job, but is there a rather significant sub-section of the courses on advanced level Ego inflation and self-agrandizment??

Or is it just coincidental that a large portion of mid-life MBA grads seem to believe their dick drags on the ground upon completion of a couple years of additional training in a masters program...


Another possible contributing factor: The guys in the new company will never know the guy wih the MBA/ MSA suffix on his email sig wasn't always this much of a cocky/smug prick. The coworkers/ bosses at the old job will remember the contrast between the before & after and have to deal with that irritation, and thus will pay less for the privilege of their benevolent presence in the workplace. .


eta: sure, from a business perspective it makes sense for the universities to try and sell the value of their fees they charge for these programs, but the rate of people going all in on the kool-aid is impressive.
I don't know the OP, but holy fuck this is funny and spot on for 95% of the MBAs I have ever met!
10-03-2019 08:37 PM
WTF?
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Originally Posted by 44Runner View Post
...

Ironic for you to be calling me a prick...

Once again for all those clearly not reading and simply piling on, the degree is only important to this story in that it has given me access to a large recruiting network and has opened my eyes to something that I feel is an issue in corporate America. I personally am not even important to the issue that I created this thread to talk about. I was a hard worker before school and I will be a hard worker after school is done. Take me out of this and the issues still stands. Multiple people have recounted their stories with the exact same thing. Kudos on your keyboard kommando attitude though!
Lighten up sally, I never called you anything; just shared a general observation about a group of people, whom you have the potential to become.


... Although a little self eval/ inventory may be in order Since in your own description, your current employer is 'Far from making an effort' to capitalize on the offer you have 'made clearly to be your first choice' of parties to have the opportunity to give you a promotion and pay bump. ( and 'you weren't kidding either!' ) , But yet it seems like they have chosen not to use much of the 'all the resources in the world' to have the opportunity to 'make you happy' by giving you the job that you're 'easily the most qualified person in the company for' so that you can 'have a positive impact' and 'Showcase your new & improved value'.


I'm not sure how I got the impression that an ego-check may be in order.
10-03-2019 07:08 PM
44Runner
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Originally Posted by U.P. Jeep View Post
One more thing to consider: If you’re “irreplaceable” you’re unpromotable.

Make sure you are training those around you to succeed as well. Sure, you run the risk of one of your peers (or subordinates) getting the promotion, but you also show leadership, the willingness to be a team player, and should you get the promotion, you have a good replacement already.
I am not irreplaceable by any means. I end up training a lot of the new guys and I make sure they are very well trained. Everyone I work with (well maybe not *everyone*) has the ability to hang with me I think. They just choose not to. It is more of a work ethic thing and not me being God's gift to my job. I believe if you are going to do a job do it right and I stick to that. Not everyone was raised that way.
10-03-2019 06:59 PM
44Runner
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Originally Posted by rockota View Post
Yeah... "just the opposite.."
Nice doctoring of the original quote.
10-03-2019 04:34 PM
U.P. Jeep One more thing to consider: If you’re “irreplaceable” you’re unpromotable.

Make sure you are training those around you to succeed as well. Sure, you run the risk of one of your peers (or subordinates) getting the promotion, but you also show leadership, the willingness to be a team player, and should you get the promotion, you have a good replacement already.
10-03-2019 02:50 PM
YotaAtieToo
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Originally Posted by Deuce 40s View Post

This needs to be a spin off. My CPA says it can't be done. The more I make on my side gig, the more I'm paying in taxes. There is no "loss". In the meantime, I'm not reporting shit.
Again, you don't "make" money. You have to write everything off related to your side business.
10-03-2019 02:41 PM
rockota
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Originally Posted by 44Runner View Post
No I didn't. In fact just the opposite. I never once equated getting a degree to being the best and brightest. You made that leap all on your own.
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The problem? Where the hell is my current employer in all this? I made it clear to them up front that they would be my number one option after graduation if they gave me the promotion I would like. I wasn't kidding with them either. I know the business inside and out, I know the corporate culture, and I have been a model employee for 16 years. Far from them making an effort to keep me on, it almost seems as though they are making an effort to push me out the door. This is a Fortune 500 company. They have all the resources in the world to make me happy. I am easily the most qualified person in the company for the role I want and could really make a positive impact, yet I don't hear a thing.

I see this same thing over and over. My school advertises that something like 98.5% of graduates will get promoted or take a new job between the start of the program and 3 months after graduation. I think this is likely true but the number of people staying with their current company seems to be an extremely small number. In fact, for the people staying with their companies it seems that most are doing so because that company footed all or a good portion of the bill for grad school and they would have to pay it back if they leave. Even in those cases the people still plan to leave when that time is up because instead of getting a promotion to try to keep these driven individuals that tried to better themselves, the company will use this strangle hold they have to not promote these people and try to wring every last bit of productivity out of them while they are being held captive. That doesn't seem like the best way to go about this. Why pay for school if you don't plan to utilize the employee in the future? Most companies seem to structure it so you almost always come out better if you jump ship.

When I started this little education adventure I figured the chances were very good that I would stay with my company. Now as it moves closer to the time where I will be getting offers, it seems like the chances are extremely slim. It seems sad that I have to start over somewhere else to get what I am worth.

Anyways, that is my little rant. I am sure there are exceptions out there but from where I stand it looks like they are extremely rare. It just seems like corporate America could do better.
Yeah... "just the opposite.."
10-03-2019 02:37 PM
rugger
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Originally Posted by 44Runner View Post
All good points. I promise you I am the very best of the best but I understand your scepticism. You don't know me. Also, to be absolutely fair to my company, they probably will give me the job and title I want because I am the best. The problem is they should be moving fast to lock me in and they just aren't. By the time they get off their butt, I will likely have had to accept an offer from another company and they will have lost me. I would need something in writing to be able to turn down an offer that will be in writing.
ahem
10-03-2019 02:13 PM
44Runner
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Originally Posted by erictylers1 View Post
Just a thought... if you sound this cocky at work, they might not think you’re as awesome, the best,
Again, I am not cocky at work. Hell, I haven't even been cocky here by PBB standards. That being said, while I have NEVER said that I am the best at work, both my big boss and his boss have said it numerous times directly to me. Are they blowing smoke up my ass? Who the hell knows. It doesn't matter anyways because back to the very point of this thread, actions speak louder than words.
10-03-2019 02:10 PM
44Runner
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Originally Posted by rockota View Post
except that you started this thread with the complaint that you just got your masters and aren't being recognized for it... You've equated getting a grad degree with being the best and brightest... and you're making a massive assumption that your leadership is likely very keenly aware of (that's one reason they are them, and you are you.)

If you can do better, go do better. If you are smarter than your leadership, then turn your side hustle into a company and prove everyone wrong.
No I didn't. In fact just the opposite. I started this thread by saying I am actually getting a lot of recognition for it. Just not from the company that you would think would be the easiest for me to get recognition from. I never once equated getting a degree to being the best and brightest. You made that leap all on your own.

My side hustle is a company fully licensed and everything. I pay taxes as a company. The problem is that it is very difficult to scale in a booming market and I want to move out of the area so it will be unloaded.

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Originally Posted by WTF? View Post
Perhaps a large part of the issue is caused by every MBA program on earth convincing their soon-to-be grads that they will walk on water, and some company might be lucky enough for them to bestow their new 'knowledge' upon them thus instantly transforming the entire landscape of the corporate world upon their graduation???

Seriously, Congrats on making it through the program while holding down a job, but is there a rather significant sub-section of the courses on advanced level Ego inflation and self-agrandizment??

Or is it just coincidental that a large portion of mid-life MBA grads seem to believe their dick drags on the ground upon completion of a couple years of additional training in a masters program...


Another possible contributing factor: The guys in the new company will never know the guy wih the MBA/ MSA suffix on his email sig wasn't always this much of a cocky/smug prick. The coworkers/ bosses at the old job will remember the contrast between the before & after and have to deal with that irritation, and thus will pay less for the privilege of their benevolent presence in the workplace. .


eta: sure, from a business perspective it makes sense for the universities to try and sell the value of their fees they charge for these programs, but the rate of people going all in on the kool-aid is impressive.
Ironic for you to be calling me a prick...

Once again for all those clearly not reading and simply piling on, the degree is only important to this story in that it has given me access to a large recruiting network and has opened my eyes to something that I feel is an issue in corporate America. I personally am not even important to the issue that I created this thread to talk about. I was a hard worker before school and I will be a hard worker after school is done. Take me out of this and the issues still stands. Multiple people have recounted their stories with the exact same thing. Kudos on your keyboard kommando attitude though!
10-03-2019 01:43 PM
TireFryerSS
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Originally Posted by Roc Doc View Post
Most companies are top heavy. The company I work for, (mfg of construction components), is super lean. There is the owner, who owns the buildings, the machinery, the land under the buildings, the inventory, the packaging...IOW, he doesn't owe anyone shit, no banks, no shareholders, partners, nothing.

Then there is my boss, then me and I don't supervise anyone. So that's the structure, absolute minimalist, do your job and you'll get good compensation, or if you don't you'll get replaced, as it should be. Most modern corps are bleeding off the profits to so many people that don't really add anything, that nobody can really make any good money. They set up unrealistic and sometimes indecipherable bonus plans, and with equity groups they don't GAF about anything except documentable EBITA, so they can flip the company.
All bs aside, does your company have a need to transport those components?
10-03-2019 01:21 PM
erictylers1 Just a thought... if you sound this cocky at work, they might not think you’re as awesome, the best,
10-03-2019 01:17 PM
Spork
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Originally Posted by Weasel View Post
I always assume it's because they can get most anyone to do a job and get 70-80% of what they need. The extra 20-30% is nice but not needed and often they cost to get that extra isn't worth it.

Just like design stuff. 80% seems to be the good enough point.
Just remember when they want 99.999% uptime 80% is good enough.
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