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10-18-2019 09:58 AM
gt1guy "Big government" has nothing to do with the number of people in it. It has to do with the amount of control over every aspect of the populations lives.

More laws = big government without increasing the number of people in that government.
10-18-2019 09:42 AM
ADChevy4x4
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Originally Posted by rockbuggy84 View Post
So when hitler was in power, he controlled all aspects of the lives of his citizens. But due to the fact that he was simply one man calling all the shots, you consider that “small government”?
Well,the way you state it, I'll have to agree to your point ...But to me, a big gov't is lots of gov't reps ,often of different ideals, constantly making and challanging laws...
10-18-2019 09:29 AM
redranger4.0
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Originally Posted by ADChevy4x4 View Post
Hey ,the Three Stooges, who is Curley ?
To me, it's who has actual control...
Well, you sure as hell nailed the first half of your signature.
10-18-2019 09:14 AM
rockbuggy84
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Originally Posted by ADChevy4x4 View Post
Hey ,the Three Stooges, who is Curley ?
To me, it's who has actual control...
So when hitler was in power, he controlled all aspects of the lives of his citizens. But due to the fact that he was simply one man calling all the shots, you consider that “small government”?
10-18-2019 09:07 AM
ADChevy4x4
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Originally Posted by SanDiegoCJ View Post
Hitler and Stalin both had small groups that were truly "insiders", but they both had huge "police state" apparatuses that enforced their decisions. Neither were small governments.
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Originally Posted by rockbuggy84 View Post
The term “big government” doesn’t refer to the actual number of people. Does someone remind you to breath?

I now understand why you support socialism. You clearly cannot survive on your own
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Originally Posted by Texas97 View Post
This is stunning and illustrates that we're not operating on the same level of cognition.
Hey ,the Three Stooges, who is Curley ?
To me, it's who has actual control...
10-18-2019 08:54 AM
Texas97
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Originally Posted by ADChevy4x4 View Post
Oh it doesn't? this is what I was replying to...What is a small gov't to you? 500 legislators or a small group with total control..?
This is stunning and illustrates that we're not operating on the same level of cognition.
10-18-2019 08:30 AM
rockbuggy84
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Originally Posted by ADChevy4x4 View Post
Oh it doesn't? this is what I was replying to...What is a small gov't to you? 500 legislators or a small group with total control..?
The term “big government” doesn’t refer to the actual number of people. Does someone remind you to breath?

I now understand why you support socialism. You clearly cannot survive on your own
10-18-2019 08:20 AM
SanDiegoCJ
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Originally Posted by ADChevy4x4 View Post
Oh it doesn't? this is what I was replying to...What is a small gov't to you? 500 legislators or a small group with total control..?
Hitler and Stalin both had small groups that were truly "insiders", but they both had huge "police state" apparatuses that enforced their decisions. Neither were small governments.
10-18-2019 08:11 AM
ADChevy4x4
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Originally Posted by redranger4.0 View Post
You do realize Small and Large in this scenario doesn't refer to the # of people in the Gov?
Oh it doesn't? this is what I was replying to...What is a small gov't to you? 500 legislators or a small group with total control..?

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What's really funny, is if you look at every fascist government it comes from the left. Hard to implement fascism with a small government.
10-18-2019 07:18 AM
CaryW Read an article about this because of the theory that Oprah will roll her out for her worldwide Wellness tour after the first of the year.

Most of the states have a November ballot deadline and she would be hard pressed to get organized and signed up in 5 weeks. (unless the machine is already set up and hiding ready to pounce.)

What if Hillary feels froggy?
10-18-2019 06:02 AM
redranger4.0
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Originally Posted by ADChevy4x4 View Post
How about Franco? He was certainly anti communist...I do understand that at the extremss, there is little difference between far left and far right facist dictators. When you have a guy like Hitler or Stalin you can consider it small gov't becuase the the dictator makes almost all decisions within a small inner circle...There is no large body of legislators to deal with..
You do realize Small and Large in this scenario doesn't refer to the # of people in the Gov?
10-18-2019 03:39 AM
ADChevy4x4
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Originally Posted by Buck Wild Racing View Post
What's really funny, is if you look at every fascist government it comes from the left. Hard to implement fascism with a small government. Very, very easy with a socialist or communist one.
How about Franco? He was certainly anti communist...I do understand that at the extremss, there is little difference between far left and far right facist dictators. When you have a guy like Hitler or Stalin you can consider it small gov't becuase the the dictator makes almost all decisions within a small inner circle...There is no large body of legislators to deal with..
10-17-2019 06:31 PM
Roc Doc
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Originally Posted by DT75FLH View Post
yes...they are a true capitalist society with about a 90%tax rate...

canada is similar but lower tax rate and "ahem free" healthcare...and a nation sales tax on top of all the other taxes (vat)...

I'm curious, you know i lost alot of write-off also...but im about even at the end of the year..how much has it cost you do you think?...

I didn't mind losing the right offs cuz I was probably going to lose them in about 2 to 3 years anyway...and hope to have the house paid off
I paid about 6% more tax per taxable dollar. It was over a grand extra for very similar income.
10-17-2019 06:23 PM
DT75FLH
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Originally Posted by Roc Doc View Post
Had a hard look at the tax rate in Denmark these days. Call it what you want, but the .gov gets most of the money it's citizens earn.

A buddy bought a BMW 540 back in 96 or 98 maybe when they first came out with the 6 speed, about $45k IIRC. Bought it on a European delivery program and saved enough to pay for the trip and shipping back to US, and he got to drive it around Europe, with a trip to Denmark to visit his wife's family. He was like a rock star or footballer in that car, most folks don't even have some little shitbox 3cyl car let alone something like that. He looked into it and with all the taxes Denmark would have tacked on it would have been $225k. No fucking wonder everyone rides the train or bikes.

yes...they are a true capitalist society with about a 90%tax rate...

canada is similar but lower tax rate and "ahem free" healthcare...and a nation sales tax on top of all the other taxes (vat)...

I'm curious, you know i lost alot of write-off also...but im about even at the end of the year..how much has it cost you do you think?...

I didn't mind losing the right offs cuz I was probably going to lose them in about 2 to 3 years anyway...and hope to have the house paid off
10-16-2019 07:16 AM
Po' riggity
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Originally Posted by SanDiegoCJ View Post
Scott, your tinfoil's way too tight.
Could be

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10-16-2019 06:56 AM
Realsquash
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Originally Posted by SanDiegoCJ View Post
Also, I take great exception to the calling of virtually all Ds "communist". Total bullshit.
All blue collar Dems are in denial that all the white collar ones are socialists to the bone. The two aren't compatible and they play both sides. The vast majority of Dems are socialists.
10-16-2019 06:51 AM
Buck Wild Racing
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Originally Posted by Joe_W View Post
all Ds are commies, all Rs are fascist. It makes it easy for the low thinkers to hate the other side
What's really funny, is if you look at every fascist government it comes from the left. Hard to implement fascism with a small government. Very, very easy with a socialist or communist one.
10-16-2019 06:50 AM
Buck Wild Racing
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Originally Posted by SanDiegoCJ View Post
I have to agree with you.
Also, I take great exception to the calling of virtually all Ds "communist". Total bullshit.
I think it's incredibly fair to call a lot of them Socialist though. And they have been for years but needed to lie about it when it was widely considered evil.
10-16-2019 06:38 AM
Joe_W
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Originally Posted by SanDiegoCJ View Post
I have to agree with you.
Also, I take great exception to the calling of virtually all Ds "communist". Total bullshit.
all Ds are commies, all Rs are fascist. It makes it easy for the low thinkers to hate the other side
10-16-2019 06:27 AM
SanDiegoCJ
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Originally Posted by Buck Wild Racing View Post
Um, so does our government.

The problem with your interpretation and rugger is you are basically calling everything that's shitty "socialism". Taxes are not socialism and there is no magic % that makes it socialism. Socialism has a definition.

I'm not for it and it suck ass. But words matter.
I have to agree with you.
Also, I take great exception to the calling of virtually all Ds "communist". Total bullshit.
10-16-2019 06:23 AM
Buck Wild Racing
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Originally Posted by Roc Doc View Post
Had a hard look at the tax rate in Denmark these days. Call it what you want, but the .gov gets most of the money it's citizens earn.
Um, so does our government.

The problem with your interpretation and rugger is you are basically calling everything that's shitty "socialism". Taxes are not socialism and there is no magic % that makes it socialism. Socialism has a definition.

I'm not for it and it suck ass. But words matter.
10-16-2019 06:11 AM
SanDiegoCJ
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Originally Posted by Po' riggity View Post
What makes you think Trump isn't part of thier master plan?

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Scott, your tinfoil's way too tight.
10-16-2019 06:10 AM
Buck Wild Racing
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Originally Posted by Po' riggity View Post
What makes you think Trump isn't part of thier master plan?

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10-15-2019 07:36 PM
Po' riggity
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Originally Posted by Buck Wild Racing View Post
Except Trump happened.
What makes you think Trump isn't part of thier master plan?

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10-15-2019 06:44 PM
Roc Doc
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Originally Posted by Buck Wild Racing View Post
"I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy,” Rasmussen said

They are not socialist. The government does not control the means of production. They are just more liberal (you can call it socialist) than we are.

Venezuela is socialist.
Had a hard look at the tax rate in Denmark these days. Call it what you want, but the .gov gets most of the money it's citizens earn.

A buddy bought a BMW 540 back in 96 or 98 maybe when they first came out with the 6 speed, about $45k IIRC. Bought it on a European delivery program and saved enough to pay for the trip and shipping back to US, and he got to drive it around Europe, with a trip to Denmark to visit his wife's family. He was like a rock star or footballer in that car, most folks don't even have some little shitbox 3cyl car let alone something like that. He looked into it and with all the taxes Denmark would have tacked on it would have been $225k. No fucking wonder everyone rides the train or bikes.
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