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10-22-2019 07:52 PM
sterlingfire
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Originally Posted by 87manche View Post
you're right.


which is why the rest of us should never allow government to have enough power over us to rule our lives.

sadly the previous generations sold us out on that for their own self interest, and here we are, limping along a system we all despise, because we think we can't do any beter.

personally I'm just here for the fucking anarchy. I don't give a fuck what happens after, because it will take more than my lifetime to get to the point of over reach that it has gotten to this day.

which is why the people that founded this government expected a revolution every once in a while, as tearing it down occasionally was the only way to ensure that it never grew too large.

like tilling your garden under at the end of the season so you didn't have weeds in it come spring.

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also, paragraphs mother fucker
Paragraphs are way overrated when im speaking from the heart
10-22-2019 07:12 PM
87manche you're right.


which is why the rest of us should never allow government to have enough power over us to rule our lives.

sadly the previous generations sold us out on that for their own self interest, and here we are, limping along a system we all despise, because we think we can't do any beter.

personally I'm just here for the fucking anarchy. I don't give a fuck what happens after, because it will take more than my lifetime to get to the point of over reach that it has gotten to this day.

which is why the people that founded this government expected a revolution every once in a while, as tearing it down occasionally was the only way to ensure that it never grew too large.

like tilling your garden under at the end of the season so you didn't have weeds in it come spring.

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also, paragraphs mother fucker
10-22-2019 06:57 PM
sterlingfire
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Originally Posted by 87manche View Post
this is correct, which is why the only solution to government is to make sure it's not large and powerful enough to be used by corrupt people.
Too late. Too many people can't think for themselves. Too many are brainwashed into believing they NEED the governmental hand to be kept safe. If we clean the slate how do we determine that the next group won't take more advantage than this group? I once thought that maybe mandatory lottery would pick ther next litter... won't work. Too many variables in the human psyche. Too much mental illness to leave it up to chance... if given the authority, do you believe you could do better by the people? I doubt it, i doubt any of us can. I can lead the revolution, can you follow my orders to the T and believe wholeheartedly that im doing right? That im not doing what's in my best interest? That the whole thing wasn't a rouse to get myself into power? These are the questions that would be in the back of our minds during a revolution. These are the things that are wrong with our governmental leaders as of right now. Please tell me how to choose new leaders that will have the best interest of the whole nation in the forefront, and not be great liars like the current set of sand baggers???
I can talk you into believing that im all for helping, that im about saving us from our own demise... but i can also lie like a mother fucker, and so can't the rest of you. Now I R sad
10-22-2019 06:06 PM
87manche
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Originally Posted by sterlingfire View Post
Doesn't matter, ground up or top down you'll never get it perfect. Too many people are for themselves and not for the good of all. It's a mindset we as Americans have come to adopt. Nobody wants to sacrifice their piece of the pie to make the whole better. Even you, even me, everyone is lame on this subject. I mean fuck, look at all the assholes on the highways. Can't even find it inside themselves to give people enough space to get on the e way. You really think if they had a hand in government they would all the sudden change? Fuckin joke get over it
I did my time on a city council. Shit takes a long time to learn how to do right and lawfully. We did everything in our power to do right by there municipality, but still to this day i have to have safety measures in place because there's that one guy that didn't like how we did things. Blames us for his recklessness, and even threatened justice on us, whether in a court of law or not. I have taught my wife and children the value of situational awareness... just hoping they don't need to use the things i taught them about self defense.
this is correct, which is why the only solution to government is to make sure it's not large and powerful enough to be used by corrupt people.
10-22-2019 06:04 PM
87manche
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Originally Posted by Action Fab View Post
Is it worthwhile to seek justice at the expense of destabilizing the entire nation?
is that not the founding tenant of this country?

we went to war with the worlds largest super power because it was treating us unjustly.
we gave no fucks if the world was plunged into chaos to do it.
10-22-2019 06:00 PM
muttly She should be turned into natures manure.

Our past leaders had it right:

Extract from Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith-

Paris Nov. 13. 1787.

the people can not be all, & always, well informed. the part which is wrong [. . .] will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. if they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. we have had 13. states independant 11. years. there has been one rebellion. that comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. what country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? let them take arms. the remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. what signify a few lives lost in a century or two? the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it’s natural manure.
10-20-2019 06:16 AM
H8DWINGS
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Originally Posted by Action Fab View Post

What is the ramification on the people given the fallout this has the potential to creat?
criminals go to jail and elites find a new way to scheme.
Is it worthwhile to seek justice at the expense of destabilizing the entire nation? yes. Corrupt politicians shouldn’t be allowed to run the nation and the nation be considered stable.

Is there a better option, given the seemingly endless number of guilty participants? no.

I don't have answers, but these questions have lingering concerns in my mind.
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10-20-2019 03:07 AM
sterlingfire
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Originally Posted by 78bronco460 View Post
^ this x eleventy big ones.

A simple example is Jury Duty. The operative word is “Duty”. The citizen shirks it and nobody thinks twice. This is what they are teaching their children. The “Go ME and fuck YOU” mentality coupled with “Someone else will do it” is big city think that fucks us all.
Big city think where they are wanting to be so close together in their homestead, but so incredibly far apart in their mentality... yet they think exactly the same. Thinking they are one of a kind... mother fuckers, we're all exactly the fucking same.
10-19-2019 11:16 PM
78bronco460
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Originally Posted by sterlingfire View Post
Doesn't matter, ground up or top down you'll never get it perfect. Too many people are for themselves and not for the good of all. It's a mindset we as Americans have come to adopt. Nobody wants to sacrifice their piece of the pie to make the whole better. Even you, even me, everyone is lame on this subject. I mean fuck, look at all the assholes on the highways. Can't even find it inside themselves to give people enough space to get on the e way. You really think if they had a hand in government they would all the sudden change? Fuckin joke get over it
I did my time on a city council. Shit takes a long time to learn how to do right and lawfully. We did everything in our power to do right by there municipality, but still to this day i have to have safety measures in place because there's that one guy that didn't like how we did things. Blames us for his recklessness, and even threatened justice on us, whether in a court of law or not. I have taught my wife and children the value of situational awareness... just hoping they don't need to use the things i taught them about self defense.
^ this x eleventy big ones.

A simple example is Jury Duty. The operative word is “Duty”. The citizen shirks it and nobody thinks twice. This is what they are teaching their children. The “Go ME and fuck YOU” mentality coupled with “Someone else will do it” is big city think that fucks us all.
10-19-2019 09:32 PM
78bronco460
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Originally Posted by Action Fab View Post
I agree, the solution starts with changing ourselves and our mentality.
You’re getting warm.
10-19-2019 01:59 PM
Action Fab I agree, the solution starts with changing ourselves and our mentality.
10-19-2019 01:34 PM
sterlingfire Doesn't matter, ground up or top down you'll never get it perfect. Too many people are for themselves and not for the good of all. It's a mindset we as Americans have come to adopt. Nobody wants to sacrifice their piece of the pie to make the whole better. Even you, even me, everyone is lame on this subject. I mean fuck, look at all the assholes on the highways. Can't even find it inside themselves to give people enough space to get on the e way. You really think if they had a hand in government they would all the sudden change? Fuckin joke get over it
I did my time on a city council. Shit takes a long time to learn how to do right and lawfully. We did everything in our power to do right by there municipality, but still to this day i have to have safety measures in place because there's that one guy that didn't like how we did things. Blames us for his recklessness, and even threatened justice on us, whether in a court of law or not. I have taught my wife and children the value of situational awareness... just hoping they don't need to use the things i taught them about self defense.
10-19-2019 01:10 PM
Action Fab
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Originally Posted by gunracer1 View Post
pretty much ever big city is terribly corrupt.

None of this will change until the rule of law is applied equally across the spectrum.
I agree. What I'm trying to fish out is which approach would be more stabilizing to us, the little people.

Do we flush out the local corruptions that touch us more directly?

Or

Do we flush out the national corruption that touches us indirectly but has larger scales of burdening ramifications due to competition among foreign nations.

I have only recently started thinking about this from the angle I'm proposing. So I'm not setting this up as a opinion I hold closely. But I have adopted the notion that change starts with ourselves and with that belief it only seems logical that we little people start by taking on the small issues and work out from there. My fear in advocating we start from the top is the real possibility of a power vacuum. That could be more detrimental than the oligarchs who hold the power already.
10-19-2019 12:48 PM
gunracer1 pretty much ever big city is terrible corrupt. i don't thank anyone that has been on the dallas city council didn't end up in jail afterwards. pretty good record. but none of this will change until the rule of law is applied equally across the spectrum.
10-19-2019 10:13 AM
Action Fab One thing I'm happy to see is the realization of the average American to the reality that we are not above corruption in this country. There are many nations around the world that operate under the presumption that their leaders are corrupt and the business dealings they participate in are for their own benefit and not for the benefit of their countrymen. Many citizens have taken up this understanding. It offers them a rulebook to navigate by. They may be powerless to remove the injustices but they are left with a clearer understanding of the game. With the rules clearly laid out they can better navigate their own lives and live a more prosperous future without naive misunderstandings.
10-19-2019 10:07 AM
Action Fab
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Originally Posted by billybob_81067 View Post
Yes. We need to start hanging crooked politicians. Even if that means killing them all and starting over again.
Another option is to replace them through a local up approach. Which would require citizens take a more active roll in their local governments and through time, purge the system through ethical participation. A bold move that is widely seen as impossible by people who sit on the sidelines bitching instead of acting.

I'm guilty too. But we're just having a discussion so it's worth airing.

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Originally Posted by BigGreenMonster View Post
The real question is, are some people above the law or is everyone equal? The answer is as simple as that. The results might not be simple, but the answer is. Fuck them all. If they are corrupt then shoot them between the fucking eyes at the Washington monument. In fact, you can swear in the next bunch right next to their rotting courps. That way the new ones can feel the gravity of the situation
Yes. For sure there is a hierarchy. In some cases there is even evidence of dynasties. Entire families employee the local governments of cities like San Francisco. The Clinton's and the Bush's are another great example of these Dynasty factions who have obvious clout within the judicial system

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Originally Posted by east_beast View Post
I would argue that if the bold portion is an actual possibility, then the nation is already destabilized.
If we use the fall of the Soviet Union as any indication you may very well be right. I guess it comes down to whether we can instill the virtues of our country at a local level and rebuild from the ground up rather than tearing it down from the top.
10-19-2019 09:45 AM
jeeptj19992001 butt, butt, butt....
cnn says she did nothing wrong.
10-19-2019 09:34 AM
waterhorse
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Originally Posted by rugger View Post
People will keep doing what they have been doing for decades.
Decades? Try "all history".
10-19-2019 09:23 AM
JolietJames
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Originally Posted by east_beast View Post
I would argue that if the bold portion is an actual possibility, then the nation is already destabilized.
Was going to post the same.

Turn the country upside down and shake all the shit out of it. Normal, productive people will be just fine during the transition back to Of the people, for the people.
10-19-2019 09:19 AM
Mr.RatBastard
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Originally Posted by rugger View Post
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Originally Posted by SanDiegoCJ View Post
IMO that's greatly overstated.
If we took the advice of many and threw them all out with force then it would. But, that won't happen. People will keep doing what they have been doing for decades.
And the crazy thing is some people seam to like it that way...."Why can't Trump just act presidential?" You know lie like the rest so I can feel comfortable.
10-19-2019 08:54 AM
rugger
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Originally Posted by SanDiegoCJ View Post
IMO that's greatly overstated.
If we took the advice of many and threw them all out with force then it would. But, that won't happen. People will keep doing what they have been doing for decades.
10-19-2019 08:35 AM
SanDiegoCJ
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Originally Posted by Action Fab View Post

Is it worthwhile to seek justice at the expense of destabilizing the entire nation?
IMO that's greatly overstated.
10-19-2019 08:29 AM
CaryW Nothing but a damn Russiantrumptulsi witch hunt!
10-19-2019 08:20 AM
Beat95YJ I am predicting nothing will happen to the Clintons.
10-19-2019 06:49 AM
poncho62
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Originally Posted by Action Fab View Post
I have several questions to this point.

How deep does this all really go?

If heads start to roll, where does the domino effect end?

What is the ramification on the people given the fallout this has the potential to creat?

Is it worthwhile to seek justice at the expense of destabilizing the entire nation?

Is there a better option, given the seemingly endless number of guilty participants?

I don't have answers, but these questions have lingering concerns in my mind.

Somehow, it will all come back to Trump
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