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01-18-2020 11:14 AM
Provience
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Originally Posted by bgaidan View Post
Pretty sure his target market is remote parts of the world that currently don't have viable access to the 'net. Eventually worldwide coverage with a couple dozen thousand satellites.
5g/WiMAX/laser sats

is

vhs/dvd/streaming


who will win the day
01-18-2020 11:02 AM
87manche
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Originally Posted by gt1guy View Post
What I'm getting from this thread is that we'll have more space junk to fall from the skies........but.......the dirt poor people living in shitty countries that are still killing each other with machetes will now be able to live stream their chopping.

Technology is a great thing.
pretty sure those markets are already served by cell towers.

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2...tion-lifeline/
01-18-2020 10:55 AM
gt1guy What I'm getting from this thread is that we'll have more space junk to fall from the skies........but.......the dirt poor people living in shitty countries that are still killing each other with machetes will now be able to live stream their chopping.

Technology is a great thing.
01-18-2020 10:25 AM
bgaidan
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Originally Posted by aczlan View Post
Put up a 3' (or 6') dish and it will have less problems with bad weather.
Again, if his target market is stockbrokers who want to get a connection faster than they can with fiber, putting up a 3' or 6' dish on the roof will not be a problem.

Aaron Z
Pretty sure his target market is remote parts of the world that currently don't have viable access to the 'net. Eventually worldwide coverage with a couple dozen thousand satellites.
01-18-2020 08:53 AM
Snowbird13
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Originally Posted by aczlan View Post

One would obviously use a dish with the diameter and the arc set to a multiple of the wavelength so that you can optimize the signal strength.


First off, someone who is setting up an office to do low latency trading will have a professional install it and write off the expense.
Second, you say that like its impossible to do on your own.
You need to know the azimuth and elevation to get in the ballpark and a signal strength meter to fine tune it. BTDT with both C band (both motorized and fixed) and KU band dishes.
Or, you go with something like this KA band dish (note that its a 4' dish, right in the middle of my 3'-6' size) which claims to auto focus if you get it close: Satellite Dish FMA-120KA (Ka-Band) | Satellite Antenna :: C-COM Satellite Systems

Aaron Z
I know all about pointing c and ku band. Ka is a different animal. Enterprise (commercial) dishes typically start at .98m and go up from there. They are sized bigger for less weather fade. Also, the electronics are set to that particular dish size. So your comment on adding a bigger dish makes little sense. They come that way to begin with.
01-18-2020 06:59 AM
aczlan
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Originally Posted by 87manche View Post
if the only reason to operate it is to serve a tiny niche market it's not going to be very profitable is it?
again, I don't see how they plan to compete with coax/fiber when it comes to cost vs speed.
assuming they can make it work.
some light reading and it seems pretty pie in the sky ambitious with a network of hundreds of satellites before it can deliver on it's pormises.
which brings us back to:
Can they find enough money to actually bring all these technologically promising things to fruition?
Time will tell, I wouldn't be surprised if they have a "Low Latency" tier that gets high priority (and a correspondingly high price) while the rest of the "Residential Customers" get a lower price and lower priority for their traffic.

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Originally Posted by Snowbird13 View Post
You cant just throw a bigger dish on 2 way commincations systems(internet). all the equipment is sized to that particular dish.
One would obviously use a dish with the diameter and the arc set to a multiple of the wavelength so that you can optimize the signal strength.

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Originally Posted by Snowbird13 View Post
And good luck pointing a ka dish on your own.
First off, someone who is setting up an office to do low latency trading will have a professional install it and write off the expense.
Second, you say that like its impossible to do on your own.
You need to know the azimuth and elevation to get in the ballpark and a signal strength meter to fine tune it. BTDT with both C band (both motorized and fixed) and KU band dishes.
Or, you go with something like this KA band dish (note that its a 4' dish, right in the middle of my 3'-6' size) which claims to auto focus if you get it close: Satellite Dish FMA-120KA (Ka-Band) | Satellite Antenna :: C-COM Satellite Systems

Aaron Z
01-18-2020 05:57 AM
87manche
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Originally Posted by Snowbird13 View Post
I installed and sold hughes net from 2010-2015. Unless your dish was covered in snow, or you had a monster storm running through, weather doesn't affect them if they are installed properly. The newer stuff is even more resilient from what my brother tells me. Latency still sucks. I hear that they are doing LEO satellites as well(may even be in bed with musk).

However, their tech support (especially for customers) is fucking terrible. And the weather was always their first line for some stupid reason.
I did too

first question from tech support is always "Whats the weather like"

You answer anything other than "clear and sunny" and they'll tell you it's the weather and to try again another day.
01-18-2020 05:29 AM
Texas97
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Originally Posted by gregj50 View Post
Duct tape.....
Itís where we got Fkn duct tape!!!!!!



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No it's not, simpleton
01-17-2020 11:02 PM
TheCopperCowboy2
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Originally Posted by gregj50 View Post
Duct tape.....
Itís where we got Fkn duct tape!!!!!!



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I think I know what greg50 was referring to. Let me translate.

https://youtu.be/NumvqYsAmKk

Apparently, our excitable young boy believes that NASA invented duct tape.
Of course, this is not true.
01-17-2020 10:44 PM
Mattafact
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Originally Posted by CrustyJeep View Post
From a Russian transport plane? STFUG.
01-17-2020 09:25 PM
CrustyJeep
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Originally Posted by gregj50 View Post
Duct tape.....
Itís where we got Fkn duct tape!!!!!!
From a Russian transport plane? STFUG.
01-17-2020 09:19 PM
gregj50 Duct tape.....
Itís where we got Fkn duct tape!!!!!!



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01-17-2020 09:00 PM
[486]
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Originally Posted by CrustyJeep View Post
Yes. But dishes are used to communicate with geo-syncronous satellites, not satellites in LEO. For fairly obvious reasons.
oic
01-17-2020 08:26 PM
Snowbird13
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Originally Posted by aczlan View Post
Put up a 3' (or 6') dish and it will have less problems with bad weather.
Again, if his target market is stockbrokers who want to get a connection faster than they can with fiber, putting up a 3' or 6' dish on the roof will not be a problem.

Aaron Z
You cant just throw a bigger dish on 2 way commincations systems(internet). all the equipment is sized to that particular dish. And good luck pointing a ka dish on your own.
01-17-2020 08:20 PM
CrustyJeep
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Originally Posted by [486] View Post
they are in a much much lower orbit
been mentioned many times ITT
Yes. But dishes are used to communicate with geo-syncronous satellites, not satellites in LEO. For fairly obvious reasons.
01-17-2020 08:19 PM
Snowbird13
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Originally Posted by 87manche View Post
well hopefully they'll figure out that whole

'oh your satellite internet doesn't work? Tell me what the weather is outside.'
because that's pretty much the first thing that hughesnet will ask you.
and if you say it's anything other than clear and sunny they'll tell you it's atmospheric related issues and not their problem.

maybe since it's much closer.
but I'd still not plan on it working during heavy rain.
I installed and sold hughes net from 2010-2015. Unless your dish was covered in snow, or you had a monster storm running through, weather doesn't affect them if they are installed properly. The newer stuff is even more resilient from what my brother tells me. Latency still sucks. I hear that they are doing LEO satellites as well(may even be in bed with musk).

However, their tech support (especially for customers) is fucking terrible. And the weather was always their first line for some stupid reason.
01-17-2020 08:09 PM
[486]
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Originally Posted by CrustyJeep View Post
Maybe not, but the insane latency involved in shooting photons at a satellite in geo-syncronous orbit will definitely be a problem.
they are in a much much lower orbit
been mentioned many times ITT
01-17-2020 07:46 PM
87manche
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Originally Posted by aczlan View Post
Put up a 3' (or 6') dish and it will have less problems with bad weather.
Again, if his target market is stockbrokers who want to get a connection faster than they can with fiber, putting up a 3' or 6' dish on the roof will not be a problem.

Aaron Z
if the only reason to operate it is to serve a tiny niche market it's not going to be very profitable is it?

again, I don't see how they plan to compete with coax/fiber when it comes to cost vs speed.


assuming they can make it work.
some light reading and it seems pretty pie in the sky ambitious with a network of hundreds of satellites before it can deliver on it's pormises.

which brings us back to:
Can they find enough money to actually bring all these technologically promising things to fruition?
01-17-2020 07:37 PM
CrustyJeep
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Originally Posted by aczlan View Post
Put up a 3' (or 6') dish and it will have less problems with bad weather.
Again, if his target market is stockbrokers who want to get a connection faster than they can with fiber, putting up a 3' or 6' dish on the roof will not be a problem.
Maybe not, but the insane latency involved in shooting photons at a satellite in geo-syncronous orbit will definitely be a problem.
01-17-2020 07:25 PM
aczlan
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Originally Posted by [486] View Post
actually one of the selling points was the higher speed of light in vacuum of space vs much slower through fiber
meant that the transatlantic run was something like 75% the time of a dedicated fiber line, was explained as something that stockbrokers will pay shitloads of money they somehow make appear out of nowhere for

I'd still bet on it being clear weather only, like sat TV...
Put up a 3' (or 6') dish and it will have less problems with bad weather.
Again, if his target market is stockbrokers who want to get a connection faster than they can with fiber, putting up a 3' or 6' dish on the roof will not be a problem.

Aaron Z
01-17-2020 04:18 PM
[486]
Quote:
Originally Posted by 87manche View Post
, but I don't see it possibly competing with fiber/coax for cost/speed.
actually one of the selling points was the higher speed of light in vacuum of space vs much slower through fiber
meant that the transatlantic run was something like 75% the time of a dedicated fiber line, was explained as something that stockbrokers will pay shitloads of money they somehow make appear out of nowhere for

I'd still bet on it being clear weather only, like sat TV...
01-17-2020 04:14 PM
[486]
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Originally Posted by 87manche View Post
it's a very interesting story of what we used to be able to do in this country with nothing more than a couple of dudes and a will to make shit happen.

you know, before government got involed and would require ten years of flight testing before they let it do anything.
inorite?
guy made an entire business out of a single plane cobbled together
01-17-2020 03:51 PM
CrustyJeep
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Originally Posted by 87manche View Post
well hopefully they'll figure out that whole

'oh your satellite internet doesn't work? Tell me what the weather is outside.'
That seems to be an issue with dish type satellite communication. which depends on a geo-syncronous satellite. LEO satellites should behave much more like moving cell towers.
01-17-2020 02:20 PM
87manche
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Originally Posted by aczlan View Post
And for someone who is doing commodity trading and can write it off, they will be glad to pay it.
Cost wise, it will be more expensive for upkeep as well as the satellites will be more likely to have their orbits decay and the satellites will not last as long.
On the plus side, there will be less junk in space as they should de-orbit much quicker.

Aaron Z

well hopefully they'll figure out that whole

'oh your satellite internet doesn't work? Tell me what the weather is outside.'
because that's pretty much the first thing that hughesnet will ask you.
and if you say it's anything other than clear and sunny they'll tell you it's atmospheric related issues and not their problem.

maybe since it's much closer.
but I'd still not plan on it working during heavy rain.
01-17-2020 02:02 PM
aczlan
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Originally Posted by 87manche View Post
I'll believe it when I see it.
and it's probably still going to cost more.
And for someone who is doing commodity trading and can write it off, they will be glad to pay it.
Cost wise, it will be more expensive for upkeep as well as the satellites will be more likely to have their orbits decay and the satellites will not last as long.
On the plus side, there will be less junk in space as they should de-orbit much quicker.

Aaron Z
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