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03-19-2020 10:29 AM
tnbndr
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and it comes with the foot peddle controls.
Any power tool, in my opinion needs foot controls, slip roll, drill press, roll bender. Allows one to work alone and use both hands but quickly stop the process when needed. Everything takes trial and error and practice to become good at it.
Adjusting those vertical rollers will create some spiral!
03-16-2020 07:55 AM
tracyb
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Originally Posted by tnbndr View Post
The horizontal feature did come in very handy.

i can see that now, it costs exactly $500 to get the horizontal/ vertical hindged base. and it comes with the foot peddle controls... in hind sight its worth every penny.

although in the end i think i'll be happier when i build a new mount base/cage thing for it. i'll incorporate some more material supports, die holders, keep it compact and forklift-able. as of right now i have a hard time believing the spiral stair attachment is worth the coin, so incorporating that in will make it worth it.
03-15-2020 10:32 AM
tnbndr The horizontal feature did come in very handy.

03-12-2020 06:02 PM
tracyb
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Originally Posted by CarterKaft View Post
It's pretty random that you are making those, I watched a documentary (maybe?) years ago about that bubble curtain idea to keep from messing with Dolphins and whales hearing.
yeah its all about the sea mammals around here. i've been out on a research boat while doing the underwater db testing and the results were all over the place. it mostly junk science.
hardly any piles are driven perfectly plumb, and the tidal, current, and weather conditions are never taken into account. so whats the point?


a bubble curtain may be useful but the tards in charge on the .gov end dont understand real world issues making them nothing but a joke. right now its just hoop for workers to jump through because it makes the permit writer feel useful.
03-12-2020 02:15 PM
CarterKaft
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Originally Posted by tracyb View Post
is that the gate on linear opener? thats huge, especially since it looks one piece. hard to get the stability as it opens if you have to keep the upper guide below the surrounding fence height. it will have to weight a ton when done i would think.

with automation, hooking it up is the easy part. convincing the customer to spend enough money on the hardware to get a quality unit the hard part. the viking r6 swing openers i've used on the last couple gates run $1500ish each, then goes up from there. i have found anything cheaper always has problems and call backs.
Single slider, It has a "third" rail on the back that will used to guide it off of a double 6"x6"-1/4" wall "H" frame and 2" ball bearing rollers.
He's been aware of the $$$ from the start and approves. The size, position of the gate and open direction are sort of critical to being able to use the amount of real estate available.

I hope to use the HySecurity SlideSmart HD30 and not have to move up to the SlideDriver model.
03-12-2020 01:51 PM
CarterKaft It's pretty random that you are making those, I watched a documentary (maybe?) years ago about that bubble curtain idea to keep from messing with Dolphins and whales hearing.
03-12-2020 08:50 AM
tracyb is that the gate on linear opener? thats huge, especially since it looks one piece. hard to get the stability as it opens if you have to keep the upper guide below the surrounding fence height. it will have to weight a ton when done i would think.

with automation, hooking it up is the easy part. convincing the customer to spend enough money on the hardware to get a quality unit the hard part. the viking r6 swing openers i've used on the last couple gates run $1500ish each, then goes up from there. i have found anything cheaper always has problems and call backs.




maybe a shop thread later, mostly trying to post pictures a couple times in a row so i dont forget how to.

stainless plumbing like this is easy to weld, but the fit up is a pain. i was using a kobelco fcaw-g wire that welds just as easy as any other dual shield wire. the seam less counter tops and thin stainless that is the hard stuff, i bill 10hrs just for one full seam, backsplash and nosing.


update on the tube rolling job;
they picked up the material monday morning to finish at their shop. i may have already said it but... these will go around a pile be driven spaced every 7 ft to the sea floor, then supplied with 1300cfm @80psi compressed air. the result, a 'curtain' of bubbles around the pile that is supposed to insulate the underwater sounds of the pile hammer, or vibrator in this case.

you can see the holes drilled in the top of the ring, supplied air line, stand offs and chain to give the spacing down the pile



03-12-2020 06:21 AM
CarterKaft Man that looks killer. Every time I think I have stainless down I weld up some asteroid turds... Maybe you just need a "shop" thread LOL.

The automation won't be bad for this customer he is a electrical contractor and has that covered. The scale of the gate is the killer, 30' opening 36' long gate 12' tall at the arch peak.

03-11-2020 07:30 PM
tracyb
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Originally Posted by CarterKaft View Post
You do some nice work.

Do you have any experience with sliding gates? I have a 4+ year "gate from hell" build going on and have some roller placement questions.

Also I saw a spiral attachment on Eagles site that looks like it would really help for building spiral railings and it seems horizontal bending would be a huge help.
i have only ever made one sliding gate. it was simple with angle iron on the ground angle up, and wheels that fit with an acetel/ delrin slider up top. i set up the gate mechanisms but dont do any wiring (not allowed per licence) i'm licensed and insured as a general contractor and welder.

what i know about gate and automation is that building them is the easy part. and the automation, you get what you pay for and the installers are just as important. the viking automation system on the gate pictured is going to run $5k minimum, up to $10k is in the budget for it. keypad lock on the side man gate and punch pad and garage door opener style clickers for the main gate.

the gate with side pieces i haven't final billed yet but will be in the $7-9k range (time and material job). with the openers, stone pilar, etc. i'm sure they are in around $30k for the driveway gate. also, this in on a $1mil+ home.

gates are simple, automation is expensive.




as for the spiral staircase bending tool... (its not listed but the add on price given to me when purchasing the machine was $2,340) not gonna happen. after this weeks learning experience i will be mounting the bender differently in a very heavy duty cage to help with offsets and keeping the larger rolling from deflecting.




and because i think i gothe picture thing down now, here's a job from december. stainless rsw refer system plumbing on a boat while in the water. finished the day after christmas, then drove 28hrs to glamis for new years












03-11-2020 10:12 AM
CarterKaft You do some nice work.

Do you have any experience with sliding gates? I have a 4+ year "gate from hell" build going on and have some roller placement questions.

Also I saw a spiral attachment on Eagles site that looks like it would really help for building spiral railings and it seems horizontal bending would be a huge help.
03-11-2020 09:04 AM
tracyb couple more of the stairs;











03-11-2020 07:11 AM
GLTHFJ60 Pics work like a champ now. Nice metalwork man. I especially like that staircase.
03-11-2020 06:05 AM
fredycruger nice
03-10-2020 07:51 PM
tracyb thanks for the workflow. i did just that and updated the the image address's. (last time i linked images i had already 'shared', didn't realize that was needed, i think i have it figured out now)

i checked from another computer and they seem to be working.

here is some other recent work just to be sure pictures are working.

stair stringers and cable railing posts


different railing, matches interior home details



gate
03-10-2020 11:29 AM
CarterKaft Do it, we all love to see failures!
03-10-2020 10:54 AM
GLTHFJ60
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Originally Posted by tracyb View Post
put them in a shared album. let me know if it works now. if that works then i also fixed a photo in a previous post, of the first fails
Now you need to update the post img urls with ones from the album.

My workflow is:
- upload/get photos in google photos
- put photos in new album
- share album by clicking "create link"
- in the album, copy the image URL for whatever image you want, embed in post with IMG tags

works 100% of the time
03-10-2020 09:59 AM
tracyb
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Originally Posted by GLTHFJ60 View Post
The images in google photos need to be in a shared album, not just in your personal "photos" or in a private album.
put them in a shared album. let me know if it works now. if that works then i also fixed a photo in a previous post, of the first fails
03-10-2020 09:16 AM
GLTHFJ60 The images in google photos need to be in a shared album, not just in your personal "photos" or in a private album.
03-10-2020 08:52 AM
tracyb well crap, i did the right click copy img address, and insert image. from google photos

not really sure how to fix it, i re entered the img address on the pics?
03-10-2020 05:24 AM
CarterKaft No pix for me either.
03-10-2020 05:22 AM
fredycruger
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Originally Posted by tracyb View Post
i just ordered the large radius ones. i hope they are good, knowing the resulting radius in a foot of bend would be very nice.


well, i got the job done. all 6 rings are within 3/4", they have some deflection, but best i could manage.



i can now see the value of a machine bending horizontal, the weight over top wants to lean to one side or the other, creating a spiral. until i have time to build a different mount for it, i used the forklift to keep the roll from spiraling.



i definitely lost material, scraped 4/10 pcs. cost of education. at least half of it will end up in other projects.




also got some bend in 2x3x.120 tube, 10" in 20'. definitely hard to get the material to bend the same. these are for a clean 'modern' type look carport. will all be hot dip galv and probably clear poly roofing. maybe tin.



i've got alot to learn on this machine. i want a calculator for the bends, it take a bit to wrap your head around. for example i can run 4 passes to get to the radius i want on one piece. but to recreate that radius one shot requires less deflection than the final bend on four passes. hope that makes sense
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03-09-2020 08:59 PM
tracyb
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Originally Posted by CarterKaft View Post
I have built some rolled stuff before and had success but I wasn't rolling to a dimension and I didn't have a machine that could one shot bend so I could sneak up on the "fit".

I always thought if I had a spec and machine that had more power I would buy the radius gauges so I could creep up on it with out pulling in and out of the machine.

https://www.trick-tools.com/Arc_Mast...Set_RG_750_955

edit: Those are for smaller radius up to 30" you might want this set instead 6-144"
https://www.trick-tools.com/Arc_Mast...t_RG_3600_1341

i just ordered the large radius ones. i hope they are good, knowing the resulting radius in a foot of bend would be very nice.


well, i got the job done. all 6 rings are within 3/4", they have some deflection, but best i could manage.




i can now see the value of a machine bending horizontal, the weight over top wants to lean to one side or the other, creating a spiral. until i have time to build a different mount for it, i used the forklift to keep the roll from spiraling.




i definitely lost material, scraped 4/10 pcs. cost of education. at least half of it will end up in other projects.




also got some bend in 2x3x.120 tube, 10" in 20'. definitely hard to get the material to bend the same. these are for a clean 'modern' type look carport. will all be hot dip galv and probably clear poly roofing. maybe tin.



i've got alot to learn on this machine. i want a calculator for the bends, it take a bit to wrap your head around. for example i can run 4 passes to get to the radius i want on one piece. but to recreate that radius one shot requires less deflection than the final bend on four passes. hope that makes sense

photo links if they still dont work; https://photos.app.goo.gl/eDkydvTL1wwyJHLT6
03-09-2020 08:07 AM
CarterKaft I have built some rolled stuff before and had success but I wasn't rolling to a dimension and I didn't have a machine that could one shot bend so I could sneak up on the "fit".

I always thought if I had a spec and machine that had more power I would buy the radius gauges so I could creep up on it with out pulling in and out of the machine.

https://www.trick-tools.com/Arc_Mast...Set_RG_750_955

edit: Those are for smaller radius up to 30" you might want this set instead 6-144"
https://www.trick-tools.com/Arc_Mast...t_RG_3600_1341
03-08-2020 12:39 PM
tracyb well i didn't get to start the job until last, after a couple of drinks. it wasn't good. in my beer fog i kept forgeting that single pass settings and multi pass would be differnt and to adjust the side offsets. also didn't de grease the material before hand and it was slipping. also pipe would slip and roll, side to side, hard to manage with such a long stick out...

just like everything else, this was way easier in my head. and messing around with no real goal makes it seam real simple. i really need to find an online class or youtube tutorial to get me headed in the right direction. haven't looked too hard yet but i haven't seen much good info out there, i sent an email to the eagle rep i've been dealing with asking about training and learning options.

this evening will be round two, luckily i got a little over double the needed material knowing it would be making some scrap, uh, future art project material, haha.

it was too embarrassing to mid process picks, here is the disappointment i left as i called it a night. ones not bad but too small, the other two are wonky as fuck. i think in-feed support would help, the long end nearly hits the 18-20' ceiling but the time i had the bending roll set to bend in one shot. jobs due mon morning, hope it works and doesn't screw the rest of the schedule too bad i really need to get jobs out to powder and galv by end of day tomorrow as well.


i see the material on the floor and in my head i hear the coach from letter kenny "Fucking Embarrassing!"
03-01-2020 09:58 AM
tracyb
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Originally Posted by Provience View Post
well, that is sweet hadn't seen the roll test pics before

edit: what size pins does that thing use to get those tight bends all in one shot?
the shaft size is 1-3/16" and their in a plate thats around 2" thick.


i've got to make 6 48" rings out of 1.5" sch 40 pipe by the end of the week, hopefully they roll consistant enough i wont have to mess with adjustments. i'll post the results
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