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02-23-2020 04:21 PM
POR
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Originally Posted by waterhorse View Post
Not sure I get that first sentence. When you break an axle on full float, you can drive home. As far as them going out of business, I got my kit around 2000', so their not exactly a "fly by nite" place.
I know when my 300m shafts break, they usually expand and crack my 14 bolt hubs. I doubt thats a 14 bolt hub so with those hardened axles, when they break it'll take out the hub assemblys.
Never heard of them before so didn't know they weren't fly by night.. just pointing out that, cuz most these 4x4 shops will be gone when the economy tanks again.
02-21-2020 03:53 PM
waterhorse
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Originally Posted by POR View Post
Only thing i see really wrong is when you break an axle it is gonna blow the wheel hub assemblys. If that company is out of business and all that is one off parts, you wont be able to fix affordably. I dont really see spindle failure unless its like multiple cartwheel kind of shennagins. Their kit looks decently priced, I'd try it
Not sure I get that first sentence. When you break an axle on full float, you can drive home. As far as them going out of business, I got my kit around 2000', so their not exactly a "fly by nite" place.
02-21-2020 02:17 PM
POR Only thing i see really wrong is when you break an axle it is gonna blow the wheel hub assemblys. If that company is out of business and all that is one off parts, you wont be able to fix affordably. I dont really see spindle failure unless its like multiple cartwheel kind of shennagins. Their kit looks decently priced, I'd try it
02-21-2020 06:58 AM
waterhorse
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Originally Posted by YotaAtieToo View Post
Because you have a street legal bronco that drives through mud puddles and he has a buggy with 43" stickies.

Everyone but you was giving him advice for his application.
What does "street legal" have to do with it? (I avoid mud if possible) I told him mine was on 38's.

He didn't ask for advice for his application. I'm not saying you or anyone else shouldn't give him advice, but I just don't know why you get bent out of shape when he doesn't take it. It's his rig/money.
02-21-2020 05:57 AM
5TonDreamin
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Originally Posted by Beat95YJ View Post
This is not a great photograph, but I donít like the looks of the weld on the spindles.
They couldn't even bother to actually display two of anything in that photo Everything is either a mirror image or copied and moved.
02-20-2020 05:23 PM
YotaAtieToo
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Originally Posted by waterhorse View Post
The question he asked was :



I told him I had one. I told him it didn't change the wms. I also gave him my results. How was that ignoring everyone? He came for info and got it. Only he can make the best decision for him.
Because you have a street legal bronco that drives through mud puddles and he has a buggy with 43" stickies.

Everyone but you was giving him advice for his application.
02-20-2020 03:50 PM
waterhorse
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Originally Posted by YotaAtieToo View Post
Always blows my mind when people come on here, ask a question, gets a good answer, then decides to ignore everyone and do something different.

Why even come on here?
The question he asked was :

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Originally Posted by Venturer View Post
Mitchell Differentials in MA builds SF to FF conversions for several brands. It's a bolt on kit built for your particular axle. It appears the wms remains the same. Has anyone tried one or knows someone who has? Results??
I told him I had one. I told him it didn't change the wms. I also gave him my results. How was that ignoring everyone? He came for info and got it. Only he can make the best decision for him.
02-20-2020 03:49 PM
Venturer
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Originally Posted by YotaAtieToo View Post
Always blows my mind when people come on here, ask a question, gets a good answer, then decides to ignore everyone and do something different.

Why even come on here?
If you look at my original question, I did not ask for for other options. I asked for anyone with experience with the Mitchell FF conversion. Not sure why that would blow your mind. I knew of the traditional options and had already looked into and priced them. All I wanted was 1st hand experience with the MD kit.
02-20-2020 03:06 PM
YotaAtieToo Always blows my mind when people come on here, ask a question, gets a good answer, then decides to ignore everyone and do something different.

Why even come on here?
02-20-2020 11:53 AM
Venturer I should clarify that the twisted splines were the result of the former owner whose driving style was considerably more aggressive than mine. That shaft was also bent. My current shaft is bent about the same, but the splines are fine. FWIW, If the wheel flange has pressed in wheel studs, Dutchman makes the shaft out of 1541 material. Anything harder must use a threaded in stud. I have the 1541 shaft. My reason for the conversion is to eliminate the bent shaft syndrome of a SF axle. The MD hub is the same size that my shaved 14 bolt had and I would suspect that the spindle is very similar. My understanding is that the hub is machined out of one piece of Billet, so no welds to brake. I know that for the strongest FF conversion, I should start over with a housing designed for it. However, I'm 77 years old and will probably wheel another 5 years and that is only 5-6 months of the year, so this kit should last me till I give it up.Thank you to those who offered alternative options. I looked into them, but decided that in my case, the MD FF kit should do what I need.
02-19-2020 12:26 PM
waterhorse
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Originally Posted by YotaAtieToo View Post
I said they look tiny, they're short, the flange is small, I didn't mention diameter.

You already mentioned the spindle diameter is limited by the bearing which is limited by the hub od. Assuming they can pass a 35 spline shaft (if they can't, then this whole thread is useless) they're probably very similar is diameter to the 14b spindles.

Does the spindle press into the bearing cup, or at least fit very tight? If so I guess that is true that the bolts would not be taking the weight.

I still don't think this is a good solution for the op. He can either cut his ends off and install a 14b spindle or unit bearing cup, or sell his housing and shafts and buy a new housing and shafts.
Yes, a 35 spline will go, although I don't get the statement "whole thread is useless". If the OP doesn't have 35 spline diff, it doesn't matter.

The spindle is a very tight fit to the bearing cup. You must pound it in or draw it in with bolts.

As far as the OP, I can't say. If he doesn't have the tools/shop/inclination to modify an axle, this is an easy way to upgrade in a couple hours. I have the ability and tools to do a lot, but I remember when I was young and working on a public street. (And my truck was my only transportation)
02-19-2020 09:07 AM
YotaAtieToo
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Originally Posted by waterhorse View Post
I addressed diameter because that is what you were remarked about. If a 14b hub is smaller, then the spindle is probably the same as the kit. Possibly the 14b spindle is smaller if it doesn't use the thin bearings.

It's interesting how you know the dimentions of the spindle when you are looking at a picture. Did you learn that on goggle?

I have the early version of this kit, so I would say I know more about it then you. I've talked to MD about the changes from my kit to the current kit. The four bolts do not take the weight. (Even on my kit) They just hold it in, and you can weld it also.
I said they look tiny, they're short, the flange is small, I didn't mention diameter.

You already mentioned the spindle diameter is limited by the bearing which is limited by the hub od. Assuming they can pass a 35 spline shaft (if they can't, then this whole thread is useless) they're probably very similar is diameter to the 14b spindles.

Does the spindle press into the bearing cup, or at least fit very tight? If so I guess that is true that the bolts would not be taking the weight.

I still don't think this is a good solution for the op. He can either cut his ends off and install a 14b spindle or unit bearing cup, or sell his housing and shafts and buy a new housing and shafts.
02-19-2020 07:39 AM
waterhorse
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Originally Posted by YotaAtieToo View Post
Man you really have to shit on every thread. Maybe spend a little 5ime with Google before ruining every tech thread.

14b hub is smaller than a dana or sterling hub. It's right at max od for 5x5.5 or 6x6.5. This has been known for about 20+ years.

The Diameter of the spindles isn't the only factor. The length and, the shitty weld that was pointed out and the fact that it attaches to 4 little bolts that were never designed to take the full weight of the rig.
I addressed diameter because that is what you were remarked about. If a 14b hub is smaller, then the spindle is probably the same as the kit. Possibly the 14b spindle is smaller if it doesn't use the thin bearings.

It's interesting how you know the dimentions of the spindle when you are looking at a picture. Did you learn that on goggle?

I have the early version of this kit, so I would say I know more about it then you. I've talked to MD about the changes from my kit to the current kit. The four bolts do not take the weight. (Even on my kit) They just hold it in, and you can weld it also.
02-19-2020 06:57 AM
YotaAtieToo
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Originally Posted by waterhorse View Post
Redrilling the hubs is not the problem. The hub is too big to go through a 5x5.5 wheel. The hub is what determines the bearing size. The bearing size deturmines the spindle size. This kit has the biggest spindle that will go through a 5x5.5 wheel hub. So if you are saying that a stock 14b hub will go through a 5x5.5 wheel, then the spindle is not any bigger. Isn't that what you claimed?

I have looked into this on a Sterling hub. If I bore the 5x5.5 wheel out to fit on the hub, I would cut into the lug nuts. If I turn down the hub, it probably would be unexceptble thin wall. Plus you would be cutting into the axle bolts.
Man you really have to shit on every thread. Maybe spend a little 5ime with Google before ruining every tech thread.

14b hub is smaller than a dana or sterling hub. It's right at max od for 5x5.5 or 6x6.5. This has been known for about 20+ years.

The Diameter of the spindles isn't the only factor. The length and, the shitty weld that was pointed out and the fact that it attaches to 4 little bolts that were never designed to take the full weight of the rig.
02-19-2020 06:33 AM
waterhorse
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Originally Posted by YotaAtieToo View Post
No, stock everything you can get at any parts store. You can either redrill the stock hubs or buy solid hubs in 5x5.5.

Does mitchell offer chromo shafts as an option? Guy is already twisting high quality Dutchman chromo shafts. So going full float and 1541 shafts would be a downgrade.
Redrilling the hubs is not the problem. The hub is too big to go through a 5x5.5 wheel. The hub is what determines the bearing size. The bearing size deturmines the spindle size. This kit has the biggest spindle that will go through a 5x5.5 wheel hub. So if you are saying that a stock 14b hub will go through a 5x5.5 wheel, then the spindle is not any bigger. Isn't that what you claimed?

I have looked into this on a Sterling hub. If I bore the 5x5.5 wheel out to fit on the hub, I would cut into the lug nuts. If I turn down the hub, it probably would be unexceptble thin wall. Plus you would be cutting into the axle bolts.
02-19-2020 03:27 AM
arse_sidewards
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Originally Posted by Beat95YJ View Post
This is not a great photograph, but I donít like the looks of the weld on the spindles.
To be fair the description says they now machine the entire spindle from a blank. I wonder why?
02-18-2020 07:27 PM
Black Sheep
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Originally Posted by waterhorse View Post
Interesting. 14b spindles with hubs in 5x5.5? The spindles in the kit are as big as can be and still fit the hub through a 5x5.5 wheel. They use special thin bearings to do that. So how is it done on the 14b?
It amazes me you do the work you do, then say stupid shit like that.

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Originally Posted by Beat95YJ View Post
This is not a great photograph, but I donít like the looks of the weld on the spindles.
That's some quality shit for $1400

Agree with above 1541 is a downgrade.
02-18-2020 07:18 PM
Beat95YJ This is not a great photograph, but I donít like the looks of the weld on the spindles.
02-18-2020 07:13 PM
YotaAtieToo
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Originally Posted by waterhorse View Post
Interesting. 14b spindles with hubs in 5x5.5? The spindles in the kit are as big as can be and still fit the hub through a 5x5.5 wheel. They use special thin bearings to do that. So how is it done on the 14b?
No, stock everything you can get at any parts store. You can either redrill the stock hubs or buy solid hubs in 5x5.5.

Does mitchell offer chromo shafts as an option? Guy is already twisting high quality Dutchman chromo shafts. So going full float and 1541 shafts would be a downgrade.
02-18-2020 07:01 PM
waterhorse
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Originally Posted by YotaAtieToo View Post
The MD Full Float Rear Differential Conversion Kit Ė Mitchell Differential Inc.

Like mentioned, spindles look tiny. Mess one up and you're screws since it's a one off part. Kit looks like it's meant for a typical mild bronco or jeep, not a damn buggy on 43 stickies.

Weld on unit bearing cups or 14b spindles. Either one can be had in 5x5.5.
Interesting. 14b spindles with hubs in 5x5.5? The spindles in the kit are as big as can be and still fit the hub through a 5x5.5 wheel. They use special thin bearings to do that. So how is it done on the 14b?
02-18-2020 09:51 AM
YotaAtieToo The MD Full Float Rear Differential Conversion Kit – Mitchell Differential Inc.

Like mentioned, spindles look tiny. Mess one up and you're screws since it's a one off part. Kit looks like it's meant for a typical mild bronco or jeep, not a damn buggy on 43 stickies.

Weld on unit bearing cups or 14b spindles. Either one can be had in 5x5.5.
02-18-2020 09:04 AM
Kunker
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Originally Posted by Black Sheep View Post
For $3400 you could buy a new housing, shafts, hubs, and brakes.

But you wont listen to the first 100 suggestions, so get your checkbook out and pay the shop.
This.
02-14-2020 07:32 PM
Black Sheep
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Originally Posted by Venturer View Post
Sorry to be a pest here. Was just trying to tap into the knowledge here to determine what my options are. A highly qualified local shop has quoted $3400 to convert it. That surprised me a bit and am debating whether to write the check or consider the Mitchell option. I'm not setup here to do more than bolt on, so beyond that it goes to a shop.
For $3400 you could buy a new housing, shafts, hubs, and brakes.

But you wont listen to the first 100 suggestions, so get your checkbook out and pay the shop.
02-14-2020 07:26 PM
CSP
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Originally Posted by Beat95YJ View Post
FB sucks for finding stuff.
Three little dots at the top right of any post if you're viewing on a mobile device, then click on save post. No need to rely on your notifications to follow a post.
02-14-2020 10:27 AM
Venturer Sorry to be a pest here. Was just trying to tap into the knowledge here to determine what my options are. A highly qualified local shop has quoted $3400 to convert it. That surprised me a bit and am debating whether to write the check or consider the Mitchell option. I'm not setup here to do more than bolt on, so beyond that it goes to a shop.
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