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Old 07-30-2016, 01:06 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Try any of the newer stuff? Tula seems to have switched to a different coating, not lacquer. Just like Hornady steel match, the cases are slick.

I've never shot anything else out of my Draco, including the 75rd drums.
The poly coat stuff in my AR goes 3 mags instead of 1 or 2 lol.

I will shoot steel from the AK all day long... but never from an AR.
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Old 07-30-2016, 01:12 PM   #52 (permalink)
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I had an AK and traded it for an Armalite M15. I shot it a bit, but to me it just didn't feel like a precision piece of machinery compared to any of my AR's. To each his own.

That being said, I love my Veper12, even though it too is no Benelli. I've got three 12 round mags for it, and yeah, it's a blast to shoot.
Post a pic of your 9mm AK. I'm intrigued.

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I like the SKS better than AK in 7.62x39

AK74 are a lot more fun.
I have a nice quality matching norinco SKS and it's a fantastic shooter.
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Post a pic of your 9mm AK. I'm intrigued.



I have a nice quality matching norinco SKS and it's a fantastic shooter.
That's Gozuki that has every possible permutation of the AK platform.
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lol. The only reason ARs are tagged with marketing phrases such as precision-machined, mil-spec, etc is because all the ultra tactical arfcom range commandos need fancy buzzwords and expensive price tags to determine how to spend their money.


AKs either work or they don't. And if they don't, it's usually pretty obvious. And it's never because it doesn't have enough lube or has a 1/2 ounce wrong buffer weight...
OK, maybe I should have used the word accurate instead of precision. 4-6moa is fine for a CQB rifle, but it's nice having the ability to reach out to 500 yds or more and still be able to hit a man sized target. Sure there are AK's out there with good accuracy, but the average AR will shoot much tighter groups than the average AK especially past 100yds.

I don't shoot my guns in muddy conditions, and even in the dusty areas I've lived in none of my AR's have ever hung up because of that.

You guys like your commie guns, fine, I'm just providing my POV and I know others have had the same experience.
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That's Gozuki that has every possible permutation of the AK platform.
Shit, qouted wrong guy.
@Gozuki post a pic of your 9mm ak

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One thing about getting an AK is to consider the LOP. These are "tiny-ish" guns made for smaller people. If you're average sized it may feel small with the ComBloc wood furniture. I'm 6ft and all four of mine felt small until I fixed them (pads or a longer American made one or a tacticool Archangel stock made from what I can only surmise is depleted uranium). Also a plus not having to worry about finding every spent case when shooting steel cased ammo, which these things feed flawlessly but fling into the next county.


If you want one, get it. They really are fun to shoot.
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One thing about getting an AK is to consider the LOP. These are "tiny-ish" guns made for smaller people. If you're average sized it may feel small with the ComBloc wood furniture. I'm 6ft and all four of mine felt small until I fixed them (pads or a longer American made one or a tacticool Archangel stock made from what I can only surmise is depleted uranium). Also a plus not having to worry about finding every spent case when shooting steel cased ammo, which these things feed flawlessly but fling into the next county.


If you want one, get it. They really are fun to shoot.
ive handled several, never shot one. im a tall guy and they feel like a tiny little toy. i can see why they were so universally adopted all over the world, just from a handling/shooter diversity standpoint.


i think im thoroughly convinced, i just need to find the right deal for me and make it happen.
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One thing about getting an AK is to consider the LOP. These are "tiny-ish" guns made for smaller people. If you're average sized it may feel small with the ComBloc wood furniture. I'm 6ft and all four of mine felt small until I fixed them (pads or a longer American made one or a tacticool Archangel stock made from what I can only surmise is depleted uranium). Also a plus not having to worry about finding every spent case when shooting steel cased ammo, which these things feed flawlessly but fling into the next county.


If you want one, get it. They really are fun to shoot.
I'm a little guy and I still have an extended/drop shoulder pad on mine, to get the height right for the scope.

The range guy used to love it when I'd shoot steel cased stuff, he'd just roll over the magnetic sweeper and clean it up in a matter of seconds.
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Shit, qouted wrong guy.
@Gozuki post a pic of your 9mm ak
I actually have 2, both "in progress", but one is in firing condition lol. I'll get it out of the safe.
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ive handled several, never shot one. im a tall guy and they feel like a tiny little toy. i can see why they were so universally adopted all over the world, just from a handling/shooter diversity standpoint.


i think im thoroughly convinced, i just need to find the right deal for me and make it happen.


Depending on which model you end up with, if you can swing for a "nato-length" stock set, they are a bit longer than your typical AK stock, which makes it a lot more comfortable for bigger people to shoot. I use that on several of mine just for comfort.
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I actually have 2, both "in progress", but one is in firing condition lol. I'll get it out of the safe.
Do a thread about them. I need to finish mine too, I need some motivation.
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I just shot mine for the first time today. Man, I love it. I love my AR15s too, but the AK is so simple...one of its finer qualities. Sure it rattles, shakes and wiggles around, but the damn thing shoots!
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What kinda reviews is the RAS47 getting? Is this a decent deal?
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Rob Ski bought one and ran 5000 rounds through it. The (cast) front sight broke, the (cast) rear sight broke, the (cast) front trunnion and bolt had excessive wear and peening. I'd pass.
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My perception of the AK is that it's supposed to be cheap... but I missed the golden age of cheap AKs and/or AK parts.

What are the best options now for rifles and/or kits for entry level (never had anything AK before) guys like me?
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any opinions about the VZ-58?

Egyptian model I think.
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any opinions about the VZ-58?

Egyptian model I think.
it's better than your average stamped AKM.

I put a limbsaver youth shotgun pad on my 47, makes the LOP just right for me.
was a cheap fix.
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any opinions about the VZ-58?

Egyptian model I think.
The VZ's are pretty neat, but they're not AK based, they just look like one and fire the same round.
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any opinions about the VZ-58?

Egyptian model I think.
The VZ58 is Czech, and more a relative of the SKS than the AK. I have a couple and they're cool. The Egyptian AK is called the Maadi.
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The VZ58 is Czech, and more a relative of the SKS than the AK. I have a couple and they're cool. The Egyptian AK is called the Maadi.
Nice

So the VZ-58 is closer to the SKS which is my current favorite eastern bloc weapon so far.

Might have to make that my next purchase.
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So the VZ-58 is closer to the SKS which is my current favorite eastern bloc weapon so far.

Might have to make that my next purchase.


Yes and no. VZs are cool. They're fun to have, but nothing to add over the myriad of AKs out there, other than that they are a little more rare, and are just kinda cool to have.

They have a milled receiver, pressed and pinned barrel, eject up and out, don't have a dust cover, and use a free-floating piston. That's about all they have in common with SKSs. They're striker fired, take a detachable mag that is specific for the gun, and share no common parts with either the SKS or AK.

But they do draw attention at the range when most people are either shooting AKs or ARs... Haven't shot my VZ 58 in years. Maybe I need to take it out next time...
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I bought a PAP from warriorcnc to SBR. I don't know why as I never was a AK guy but it's a cool gun. I haven't had time to go out and shoot yet but I'm glad I got it. Mine has the plastic handguard which I prefer. Pic of it in Doc's PAP thread I think. Maybe that's where I got the itch from. Need to stock up on mags (prob 20 rounders) and ammo though. Planning on a red dot for a optic.
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I will shoot steel from the AK all day long... but never from an AR.
I've dumped thousands of Wolf and Tula from the cheapest Bear Creek barrel, not even chrome lined, bump fire AR.

It got a little sticky one day when I was letting someone shoot it, some carb cleaner and back to shooting.

I robbed some parts off of it to build the 9mm AR and it was nasty in there. All I shoot with the 9mm is steel as well.


The milled AK's look good and shoot well. A friends has the charging handle on both sides which drives me a little nuts. IIRC the C39 tatical
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