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Old 08-16-2016, 10:45 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Let's Discuss 9mm Carbines.

Looking to pick up a pair of 9mm pistols and a matching 9mm carbine.

Criteria.
-Must all take the same mags as the pistols
-Mvail of extended 30+ round mags is a definite plus
-Must fold or disassemble quickly and easily into a small, easy to store package.
-I'd like to spend less than $1k on the carbine.
-I'd like the gun to fire while folded or broken down.

Glock mags seem to be the most obvious option. Never been a big fan of the grip angle of the Glock. But they're a very reliable gun and not overly priced. I could learn to shoot one. I do have a PX4 in 9mm that I do love a lot. I'd be happy to pickup a second PX4 and a CX4 then chop the stock up and add a folding stock. Sadly a 20 rnd mag is as big as they get for that platform.

So which 9mm carbine would you recommend if you were trying to meet that criteria?

Options I've found:

- Beretta CX4 storm. (Will require custom mods)

- Kel-Tek Sub 2000 (smallest package)

- Taurus CTG29 (will require custom mods)

- AR based 9mm P-15's (not foldable but I know you'll bring it up)

- High Point Carbine (will require custom mods but cheapest option)

- JRC carbine. (Barrel unscrew instead of stock folding)

- M1-9 (uses M92 mags and will require a custom stock)

- MPA defender carbine. (Ready to rock-n-roll with the addition of quality sights)

- UZI carbine conversion (addition of a folding stock and longer barrel plus whatever needed tax stamps) probably over budget and I've never been crazy about the uzi pistols I've shot.

Feel free to add anything to the list I've missed.
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Might be an aftermarket stock to get a folder or telescopic maybe, never been a feature I've sought out.

Foregoing the folding stock, Ruger PC9 and Marlin Camp 9 have been high on my want list for a while, I'm always looking for one at shows and pawn shops.

Also Mech Tech makes carbine conversions for Glocks, Springfield XDs, and 1911 variants. Telescoping and folding stocks are options. I don't know much about them, but have wanted one pretty much since I discovered their existence.
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hi point is right out based on your hi cap wants.
trust me, it's impossible.

what about suomi? Barrels pop off.
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-I'd like the gun to fire while folded or broken down.
Keltec won't fire when folded.

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I have been told that the Marlin camp 9 will take Smith and Wesson 59 series high cap mags. If anyone wants to send me the mags I will confirm that.
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Keltec won't fire when folded.



Also, how well do they fire when unfolded?

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Keltec won't fire when folded.

From what I understand, it will still shoot. But not, the barrel is missing when folded. The JRC is the same way.
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hi point is right out based on your hi cap wants.
trust me, it's impossible.
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Redball making functional 20 round mags for them now.

Fugly though. Looks like someone butted two regular mags together
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I have been told that the Marlin camp 9 will take Smith and Wesson 59 series high cap mags. If anyone wants to send me the mags I will confirm that.
It's true, and the Camp 45 takes 1911 mags.
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Redball making functional 20 round mags for them now.

Fugly though. Looks like someone butted two regular mags together
I was unaware, but google shows me that it's fully fucktarded.

like 9 feet of magazine hanging below your rifle.
I have no idea why hi point didn't change it to doublestack magazine when they redesigned it. They could have sold sooooo many of them if they held 20 rounds.
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Might be an aftermarket stock to get a folder or telescopic maybe, never been a feature I've sought out.

Foregoing the folding stock, Ruger PC9 and Marlin Camp 9 have been high on my want list for a while, I'm always looking for one at shows and pawn shops.

Also Mech Tech makes carbine conversions for Glocks, Springfield XDs, and 1911 variants. Telescoping and folding stocks are options. I don't know much about them, but have wanted one pretty much since I discovered their existence.
The Ruger is an option I forgot about mainly because I kind of dismissed it. I'm just not a fan of the Ruger pistols.

The Marlin uses magazines from the old 59 series S&W. So I'd have to try and track down two used pistols for this confirmation. Not really what I want.

The Mech Tech conversion is sweet. I need to do a bit more research on these as far as tax stamps, stock configurations and whether or not I'd need to buy a complete pistol for the conversation. I know you can buy 1911 lowers. But I think I'd want an XD lower if I went that route. I'd hate to have to buy a complete XD just to make the conversation.
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I was unaware, but google shows me that it's fully fucktarded.

like 9 feet of magazine hanging below your rifle.
I have no idea why hi point didn't change it to doublestack magazine when they redesigned it. They could have sold sooooo many of them if they held 20 rounds.
For the same reason they keep all the little BS safeties on their gu in states that don't need them, to keep production costs down by offering one gun
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Just an FYI, the Hi point is fantastic shooter. Pretty damn accurate and comfortable too.
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For the same reason they keep all the little BS safeties on their gu in states that don't need them, to keep production costs down by offering one gun
yeah, but plenty of doublestack pistols just get sold with a different magazine in ban states.

for the added costs to pin some magazines at ten rounds, they would have sold a shit ton of them if they were doublestack. They work, they're accurate and they're fun, ten rounds just sucks.
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The MPA Defender looks like crap, but I would say it is you best bet for what you are looking for.

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yeah, but plenty of doublestack pistols just get sold with a different magazine in ban states.

for the added costs to pin some magazines at ten rounds, they would have sold a shit ton of them if they were doublestack. They work, they're accurate and they're fun, ten rounds just sucks.
I would still have my Highpoint Carbine if it was double stack. It was 100% reliable and more accurate than it needed to be.
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If you have a Glock, XD of 2011/1911 you could just get a MechTech carbine upper for it....

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The camp 9 will take S&W mags but neither Have been produced since the last century.
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Didn't Doc mod a Highpoint to take double stack mags?
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I would go with a CZ scorpion and a CZ75 in 9mm or a Six MPX and sig 9mm of your choosing. Mag commonality isn't there, but unless you are doing to run glock mags there isn't much for options.

The Keltec sub2K is a fun little carbine in 9mm with glock 17 and 18 mags. You absolutely cannot fire it while folded. Midwest industries makes a mount that you can use a red dot with the folder.
accuracy is pretty good and it is very compact. problem will be that you are stuck with a glock pistol.
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Criteria.
-I'd like the gun to fire while folded or broken down.
Why is this such a commonly sited criteria? I see it posted all the time on bArfcom, and I dont fully understand the reasoning.

Isnt it illegal in most states to roll around with a loaded rifle in your vehicle? So at the very least you have to insert a mag, and rack the slide to get your rifle into the firing position, but you cannot deploy a stock? Or, you are driving along and something hits the fan, you hop out of the car, grab the bag out of the trunk, open bag, grab gun, and engage target, and you need to put 33 rounds of 9mm on target ASAP? But fawk deploying the stock because operator and stuff? Also, why 9mm carbine but not a 9mm pistol (think Scorpion EVO or AR9 pistol)?

Based on your criteria, this seems to be a bug out bag type of deal, and while I can appreciate only having to carry one type of ammo and mag, what are you really gaining? If SHTF Id rather have a 223/556, 300BO or 30 cal rifle, and a 9mm/45 handgun.


Both the above are just observations as I am a simple civilian with no .mil training or experience.


Personally, I would do a 9mm AR pistol or a EVO. My AR9 takes Glock mags, but you can also do Colt and even Uzi if needed. The EVO is a proprietary mag, but they are cheap and pretty readily available.
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Kind of looks like a modern version of a tech9
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Why is this such a commonly sited criteria? I see it posted all the time on bArfcom, and I dont fully understand the reasoning.

Isnt it illegal in most states to roll around with a loaded rifle in your vehicle? So at the very least you have to insert a mag, and rack the slide to get your rifle into the firing position, but you cannot deploy a stock? Or, you are driving along and something hits the fan, you hop out of the car, grab the bag out of the trunk, open bag, grab gun, and engage target, and you need to put 33 rounds of 9mm on target ASAP? But fawk deploying the stock because operator and stuff? Also, why 9mm carbine but not a 9mm pistol (think Scorpion EVO or AR9 pistol)?

Based on your criteria, this seems to be a bug out bag type of deal, and while I can appreciate only having to carry one type of ammo and mag, what are you really gaining? If SHTF Id rather have a 223/556, 300BO or 30 cal rifle, and a 9mm/45 handgun.


Both the above are just observations as I am a simple civilian with no .mil training or experience.


Personally, I would do a 9mm AR pistol or a EVO. My AR9 takes Glock mags, but you can also do Colt and even Uzi if needed. The EVO is a proprietary mag, but they are cheap and pretty readily available.
I wasn't even going to respond to this because honestly, it doesn't matter why I want what I want.

My reason is because I'm building an inch bag for my girlfriend and me. Pistols and ammo in each bag with the 9mm carbine in one and a breaching Mossberg 500 with collapsible stock in another. Standard magazine for all three 9mm's. Most 9 ' s are capable of firing 380 and if push really came to shove, you can fire .357 and 38 special through one. 9mm is also very easy to come by and for the most part a reliable round. High capacity magazines offer piece of mind. I just want a 9mm capable of reaching out and touching someone or something if needed but I don't want to sacrifice space or draw suspicion if I don't want to.
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Most 9 ' s are capable of firing 380 and if push really came to shove, you can fire .357 and 38 special through one.
You had me at "it doesn't matter why I want what I want". Kids don't try this at home.

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.... you can fire .357 and 38 special through one.
o rly?
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o rly?
I want to see this happen.
I will send you all the .38 special you want if you make this happen.
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