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Old 02-17-2018, 09:39 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Buying off roster firearms in Cali

I've had my eye on two pistols ( CZP10C and XDS9), both are off roster and can be found through private sale through approved FFL.

Everything I've read says it's legal to buy an off roster firearm as long as the sale is private party through FFL. I've even seen off roster firearms for consignment in my local FFL's just not the ones I'm after. I can find the specific pistols I'm looking for on calguns, but it just seems sketch.

Now I'm reading that some LEO's will buy off roster and flip them on calguns through private party for profit (which is illegal) and the state is really cracking down.

Should I just stay away from trying to acquire these pistols or what?
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If youre allowed to buy and sell off roster guns why is it illegal to do it for profit?

Or leo to do it privately?
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If youre allowed to buy and sell off roster guns why is it illegal to do it for profit?

Or leo to do it privately?
As I understand it, off rosters can be brought into the state a few ways

1. Out of state transfer from parent to child
2. Child decides to sell and can do so, for profit but that rarely happens
3. LEO can purchase in state and resell to civilian or consign it(in limited qty.) and not for profit

As long as the sale goes through FFL it all seems legit, but at the same time its all a little grey ( as with most laws in cali)
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My dad gave me an off roaster pistol for Christmas a few years ago. I had trouble finding a CA FFL that wanted anything to do with it. Because the whole issue is very gray, they simply did not want to deal with it, help with the paperwork or have the paperwork associated with their shop if they were to get audited by ATF. I did finally find a shop that helped with the transfer paperwork.
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I would say the law is clear and safe from the buyers end. The sale is being processed, documented and somewhat common through an FFL. They are cracking down on LEO's who would buy off roster guns with the intention of selling them for profit. Like this guy, who had to make a few hundred buck over his $250,000 salary.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/06/...st-four-years/
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My dad gave me an off roaster pistol for Christmas a few years ago. I had trouble finding a CA FFL that wanted anything to do with it. Because the whole issue is very gray, they simply did not want to deal with it, help with the paperwork or have the paperwork associated with their shop if they were to get audited by ATF. I did finally find a shop that helped with the transfer paperwork.
If it's a father to son transfer you can just fill out a form and send it $19 and not have to worry about an FFL.


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If it's a father to son transfer you can just fill out a form and send it $19 and not have to worry about an FFL.


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It crossed state lines so the FFL involvement was federally required.
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No worries doing off roster ppt black & white not grey in the slightest
It's just the leo's that were taking advantage of it for profit that have to worry
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No worries doing off roster ppt black & white not grey in the slightest
It's just the leo's that were taking advantage of it for profit that have to worry
cool - i'm picking up the XDS9, dude is a LEO.
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Just cross state lines, purchase said firearm, have it sent to a FFL in California and do the paperwork and waiting period.
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Just cross state lines, purchase said firearm, have it sent to a FFL in California and do the paperwork and waiting period.
Uh yeah, not legal.
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Uh yeah, not legal.
Your right, never ever do that
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Your right, never ever do that
Not very bright, eh Matt?
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Not very bright, eh Matt?
I got a few inches on this, buying guns out of state and shipping to a FFL in Cali is legal, and you would be surprised on what can be sent in.
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I got a few inches on this, buying guns out of state and shipping to a FFL in Cali is legal, and you would be surprised on what can be sent in.
Youíre right, totally legal-for rostered firearms. If weíre talking about off roster guns, you can keep your few inches to yourself, itís a felony. Thereís a lot I donít know as, you know, a firearms dealer, this isnít one of those things.
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Youíre right, totally legal-for rostered firearms. If weíre talking about off roster guns, you can keep your few inches to yourself, itís a felony. Thereís a lot I donít know as, you know, a firearms dealer, this isnít one of those things.
Just like you better keep that FAL in your shop and never use it, Iím glad I donít deal with that crap anymore.
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Just like you better keep that FAL in your shop and never use it, Iím glad I donít deal with that crap anymore.
Donít hurt yourself while youíre backpedaling.
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Just buy it PPT and go through an FFL. I pick up an off-roster 1911 from gun jail on Saturday.

But it does need to be face-to-face. If it gets into FFL inventory via shipping from one to another, it can't be sold to non-exempt person. At least that is my understanding based on what I have been told.

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