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Old 09-18-2019, 04:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Body armor? Steel plate? Fiber? What to get.

What is the good stuff? Is steel the way to go? I am thinking stop .308 . Unrealistic?
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steel is the way to go.

what distance do you want to stop .308? that will change your thickness
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Class IV ceramic plates, better than ar500 plates and under a $100 per plate now. You should look at youtube reviews. Class IV will stop 30 cal AP, class 3 will stop 30 cal non AP.
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There is a company selling poly plates that will stop FMJ .50 BMG. I think they weight 3 pounds a piece.
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i guess application is important.

i just can't recommend storming the local atf office with anything less than steel. ceramic can take several hits, but not nearly as many as steel

can poly take more than 1 ?
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i guess application is important.

i just can't recommend storming the local atf office with anything less than steel. ceramic can take several hits, but not nearly as many as steel

can poly take more than 1 ?
What he said.
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I wear rma defense level 4 plates and canít complain. They are multi hit rated for ap 30-06. Level 4 in steel is crazy. Ceramic still is heavy. Are you looking for an all day plate or just in a tac vest for certain situations?
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i guess application is important.

i just can't recommend storming the local atf office with anything less than steel. ceramic can take several hits, but not nearly as many as steel

can poly take more than 1 ?
Isn't spalling an issue with Steel plates?
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interesting timing, was doing a lot of reading on this yesterday.

Consensus seems to be AR500 is heavy as shit, and you're still going to get spall even with rhino liner.


here's what i lean towards:

Hesco 3810 Level III+ SAPI plate

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RMA Level III+ plates muti-curve

with a Crye Precision JPC
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Isn't spalling an issue with Steel plates?
I think spalling is an issue with all of them. They do make coatings/covers to reduce it. I can imagine spalling could suck, but the alternative not so hot either.
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Without any real experience steel seems like it could suck due to spalling. Even if it stops the round if the jacket hits an artery your still dead.

I found a local guy with Armorwear Lvl 3+ plates for $200 for a pair. lighter and may not spall. I know the ceramic may not hold up as well to multiple hits, but this is only for shtf get the hell out of dodge use. If I'm somewhere taking multiple 308 hits I need to find cover or one is going to get lucky and take out my head anyway.

Someone could have done some real testing on this with the Area 51 idiots this weekend, give a few steel, a few ceramic, etc. See first hand what the results are.
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Consensus seems to be AR500 is heavy as shit,
I've tried on a full (4 plate) vest in steel. It was heavy, but it's not like I couldn't run a hundred yards with it. I bet I could run more than that if someone was after me with a 308.
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I've tried on a full (4 plate) vest in steel. It was heavy, but it's not like I couldn't run a hundred yards with it. I bet I could run more than that if someone was after me with a 308.


you have to be a little smarter than that. Think of the potential situation in which you would use the armor, and think that vest you were wearing was conservatively 20 lbs. now think about carrying the weight of a rifle, pistol, ammo, water etc.

id want max protection with as little weight as possible.

and FWIW, ive trained and worked out in weight vests for years. last session i did with a weight vest before starting to train for a boxing match was running a hilly mile with a 30 lb vest in 7:37. im familiar with vests and their weights.
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you have to be a little smarter than that. Think of the potential situation in which you would use the armor, and think that vest you were wearing was conservatively 20 lbs. now think about carrying the weight of a rifle, pistol, ammo, water etc.

id want max protection with as little weight as possible.

and FWIW, ive trained and worked out in weight vests for years. last session i did with a weight vest before starting to train for a boxing match was running a hilly mile with a 30 lb vest in 7:37. im familiar with vests and their weights.
I am trying to think of a situation I would use it. I'm not police or army. I'm not a bank robber. So the only thing I can think of is our society broke down and I need to go to town to get some bread. Might want to ware it in the car.

By the way, you are in some serious shape. I'm guessing I'm in better shape than 80 percent of the population, but If I have to run a mile with my rifle in under ten minutes (my life depends on it) I'm probably dead.
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Ceramic is my choice. Seriously, if you are taking more than 1 round, you are in a world of pain anyways.

I always laugh at the argument "But steel can take 20 shots of xxxx". Mothfukle, if you take 20 rds to a steel plate, you are going to be spitting blood for a bit anyways from the trauma alone haha.
I would rather have less weight to carry and be maneuverable than to be a juggernaut heavybody who fumble fucks around just to get to cover.

Will AR500 work? Yup. Is it heavier? Definitely. Spalling? Can be mostly contained. It would be best to wrap the plate in a multi-layer kevlar pouch to help contain it on the edges. Pick up an old level iia or iiia vest and use that soft armor to make your pouch. You arent trying to keep the round from penetrating to the armor... just trying to keep it from coming out.
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Ceramic is my choice. Seriously, if you are taking more than 1 round, you are in a world of pain anyways.

I always laugh at the argument "But steel can take 20 shots of xxxx". Mothfukle, if you take 20 rds to a steel plate, you are going to be spitting blood for a bit anyways from the trauma alone haha.
I would rather have less weight to carry and be maneuverable than to be a juggernaut heavybody who fumble fucks around just to get to cover.

Will AR500 work? Yup. Is it heavier? Definitely. Spalling? Can be mostly contained. It would be best to wrap the plate in a multi-layer kevlar pouch to help contain it on the edges. Pick up an old level iia or iiia vest and use that soft armor to make your pouch. You arent trying to keep the round from penetrating to the armor... just trying to keep it from coming out.
if you are storming area 51 and your homeboys don't show up to party you better be ready for +20

or if you deliver papers in L.A.
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Well if you are assuming the proper running position.... it really isn't a concern now is it
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Thought provoking. I like the steel for multiple hits. Thinking pistol rounds there. Figure .308 for worse case. .50 or 12.5 fuck it. 11x14 curved with linex.
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Thought provoking. I like the steel for multiple hits. Thinking pistol rounds there. Figure .308 for worse case. .50 or 12.5 fuck it. 11x14 curved with linex.
pistol rounds? soft vest will take several of those.

multiple high velocity rounds is where the ceramic or steel come in to play.

I have ceramic plates inside a soft carrier for work. I have not been shot and don't plan (as much as you get a choice) to be shot multiple times while being alone, so the weight savings makes it ideal.

in the event of a killdozer, steel like a fuckin' knight plate armor with 1/2" chest and 3/8" elsewhere and 1/4" everything else ar500 is the clear winner
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If someone is shooting at you with 50 BMG AP you’re pretty well fawked no matter what kind of plates. There also isn’t much 30 cal AP around. I’m looking at the cheap class IV plates botach sells, they have pretty good reviews and are 5 lbs, about 1/2 ar 500 plates.
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if multiple rounds hitting you COM is something that concerns you, Why not wrap all your extremities in Ar500? Like a medevil knight or something?



Hint, you guys are over thinking it. Body armor is meant to protect your vital organs and give you a better chance of surviving a single shot. Mutiple 30AP rounds to the chest is not a situation you should be in and body armor is not going to save you. Because if youre getting hit multiple times in the chest, you are 100% getting hit in your arm, legs, neck, pelvis or head as well. Which, getting hit in the pelvis with a 30AP round is basically a death sentence.
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I'm just amazed this is such a hot topic. I mean, it's interesting. But what the heck do you guys expect to have to deal with? Being armed makes you better prepared than 90% of people. Body armor seems... well, unnecessary.



This is what I picture, by the way.
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Hey, do any of you guys know which armored personnel carrier is easiest to register and tag? I'm looking for a new daily driver. I'm getting prepared.

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wait.... doesnt the OP have a serious grudge against the local police?



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Thought provoking. I like the steel for multiple hits. Thinking pistol rounds there. Figure .308 for worse case. .50 or 12.5 fuck it. 11x14 curved with linex.
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