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Old 11-10-2019, 04:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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A few guns saved from Kalifornia. Info/Value?

Friends are refugees from Kalifornia. They used the underground railroad to save some family guns. Nothing rare, but oddball for sure. Unfortunately no mags for any of them.

Info/ values are appreciated!

Action Arms Uzi folder (model B I think) Looks in good shape, not a uzi guy and there are dozens of mag options. Best value/ source in mags?

Norinco 84s underfolder pre-ban. I found some info on the 84s, but the underfolder seems less common. Oddball for sure in .223, and the mags are rare and spendy. Looks like Bulgy ,223 mags might work, but still $50 each. Sadly it's got some nasty surface rust.

Late 1800's H&R break top in .38. Surprisingly decent shape for the age. Determined cal by dropping a 9mm in the chamber. Was pretty loose. Told him not to shoot it until we find some blackpowder .38 cowboy loads. Although I'd probably slug the bore, seems a little loose for .38 based on the feel of the 9mm. Probably best as a wall hanger.

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Aren’t those illegal in Washington too?
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Old 11-11-2019, 05:27 AM   #3 (permalink)
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The Uzi is worth $1400+ depending on buyer.

The 84s is worth about $1200 if I'm not mistaken. But is the rust is bad it probably cuts the value in half.
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The Uzi is worth $1400+ depending on buyer.

The 84s is worth about $1200 if I'm not mistaken. But is the rust is bad it probably cuts the value in half.
This is right around what I was thinking as well, maybe a touch high, but your market may vary.

If the UZI is unmolested it should be normal UZI stick mags. The surplus mags I have seem to work fine. Relatively cheap IIRC.

If the 84s is bad rusty, find an adapter to run AR mags, ceracoat the mess, and find a tacticool bro to give you $1000-$1200.

Break top is probably 38 S&W. Never seen a late 1800s one. I have a couple, '20s vintage. PPU makes commercial ammo that I shoot in mine, if yours is truly 1800's then I won't give advice on what to shoot. In shooting condition I know mine are worth $150-$200, not sure about an earlier one
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The Uzi is worth $1400+ depending on buyer.

The 84s is worth about $1200 if I'm not mistaken. But is the rust is bad it probably cuts the value in half.
Thanks, jives with what I found

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This is right around what I was thinking as well, maybe a touch high, but your market may vary.

If the UZI is unmolested it should be normal UZI stick mags. The surplus mags I have seem to work fine. Relatively cheap IIRC.

If the 84s is bad rusty, find an adapter to run AR mags, ceracoat the mess, and find a tacticool bro to give you $1000-$1200.

Break top is probably 38 S&W. Never seen a late 1800s one. I have a couple, '20s vintage. PPU makes commercial ammo that I shoot in mine, if yours is truly 1800's then I won't give advice on what to shoot. In shooting condition I know mine are worth $150-$200, not sure about an earlier one
Will look into the adapter. Didn't see any mention of such a thing in my searches.

Gotcha 38 S&W. Lines up with what I found. No caliber markings, so it's Pre-1904. Auto-eject with a decent amount of a nickel(ish) finish left.

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Will look into the adapter. Didn't see any mention of such a thing in my searches.
More money than I thought they were.

https://canis-design-group.myshopify...azine-adapters

Saw a post about surplus Galil mags in my 2 second search.
https://gunmagwarehouse.com/galil-ar...-magazine.html
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Sadly it's got some nasty surface rust.
Do not remove the rust.

Boiling water will turn the red iron oxide into black iron oxide, then you can card it off with fine steel wool and you'll still have bluing where the rust was, unless it has pitted.
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Friends are refugees from Kalifornia. They used the underground railroad to save some family guns. Nothing rare, but oddball for sure. Unfortunately no mags for any of them.

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...Late 1800's H&R break top in .38. Surprisingly decent shape for the age. Determined cal by dropping a 9mm in the chamber. Was pretty loose. Told him not to shoot it until we find some blackpowder .38 cowboy loads. Although I'd probably slug the bore, seems a little loose for .38 based on the feel of the 9mm. Probably best as a wall hanger.

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Check with Buffalo Arms (ID) on both .38 special and .38 shorts in BP. Theres a couple folks making them, Goex is 1 for starters

For that matter some (not all) Sportsman warehouse stores peddle SAS and cowboy action loads in common wheel gun calibers.
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Check with Buffalo Arms (ID) on both .38 special and .38 shorts in BP. Theres a couple folks making them, Goex is 1 for starters

For that matter some (not all) Sportsman warehouse stores peddle SAS and cowboy action loads in common wheel gun calibers.
Thanks, told him not to shoot it until we find some safe ammo.

May see if wants to sell it. Always wanted to do a display case with a pistol, silver bullets and a cool flask full of holy water. Would be a cheap way to do it and the old patina on the pistol would look "authentic". From what I've read is I can hand press the bullets no die, no crimp so making some silver bullets would be a snap. Thinking I'll drill some lead SWC and hammer in some 1/8" silver rod.
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Thanks, told him not to shoot it until we find some safe ammo.

May see if wants to sell it. Always wanted to do a display case with a pistol, silver bullets and a cool flask full of holy water. Would be a cheap way to do it and the old patina on the pistol would look "authentic". From what I've read is I can hand press the bullets no die, no crimp so making some silver bullets would be a snap. Thinking I'll drill some lead SWC and hammer in some 1/8" silver rod.
While I was doing a bit of reading in a manual yesterday also found a .38 S&W cartridge, a bit larger than a short but not a .38 spcl size. Buffalo carries cases (starline basics only) and possibly ammo.

At the same time the recollector kicked off a memory about another H&R top break a friend had and similar issues with ammo. We ended up with .38 short ammo being used because the special stuff necessitated a reweld of the top strap...
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