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Old 07-15-2017, 12:10 AM   #1 (permalink)
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RTF Property Grand Opening - Aug 18,19,20

RTF is pleased to announce the grand opening of the RTF Property to the public will be August 18,19 and 20.

After you attend Steaks and Stories, head to the property to camp for the rest of the weekend.
https://www.facebook.com/events/823338484498667

Look for more information on the Rubicon Trail Foundation property web page. Information regarding the other open weekends can be found on the Property Calendar.
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Old 07-17-2017, 10:32 PM   #3 (permalink)
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RTF has opened the Group Campsite page. Groups, both official or unofficial, will be able to find and name a group campsite on the property. The follow page has all the rules, etc. There is no restriction on difficulty. Will your campsite be popular? Apply and find out.
http://www.rubicontrail.org/rtf-groupcampsites.htm

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Where is the RTF Property?

The RTF Property is between Little Sluice and the Springs, down to Fawn Lake. Please CLICK HERE to view a map. The property entrance is down "Indian Trail" or "The Slabs" just before Old Sluice comes back into the main trail. There are signs and a gate on your left side and 1/2 mile trail of reflectors and such down to FOTR Main Camp. The Property Maps page, has more details.

When will the property first be open to the public?

The property will be open to the public on Aug 11-13, 2017. However the Grand Opening will be August 18-20, 2017.

How often will the property be open?

The property will be open 7 weekends in 2017. We will initially have volunteer caretakers on the open weekends. However, the long term plan is to have a full-time caretaker, similar to the Rubicon Springs so that it is open most days, all summer long. This will take time, as we need to build infrastructure to support someone living there during the summer. If you have an interest in volunteering for a weekend as caretaker, please email Ken Hower for scheduling.

Does RTF owe any money on the property?

The Rubicon Trail Foundation made the last property payment in 2016 to Mark Smith Off-Roading. Thanks to your donations, we own the property free and clear. Our only financial obligation to keep the property open to the public at this time, is our property tax payment. In the future, we expect many expenses as we improve the property and make camping better for everyone. The largest annual expenses expected are to eventually put a caretaker onsite for most of the summer. Your continued support allows that to happen.

Can I go 4-Wheeling where ever I want?

No. The RTF Property is not a 4-wheel drive park. However, the roads to go 4-wheeling will be defined and created by you, the trail users! We have no difficulty restrictions at all. Our only requirement that any trail submitted is sustainable.

No difficulty restrictions? How will I know a trail is hard?
We plan on having a trail rating system, kind of like ski trails...blue diamond, double black diamond etc, so that you know before you start, what you could be in for on the trail.

How do I create a route and get a group campsite?

RTF has created a set of rules. They can be found on the Group Campsite webpage. Download the instructions and sign up HERE to apply.

What is the purpose of FOTR Main Camp?

FOTR Main Camp was named after you, the volunteers on the trail as a family type camping area. The caretaker will be staying in this area. The idea is having a nice place to come for family camping, no late night noise, etc. If you'd rather party a little, have some music late at night, that's why we will have group campsites.

What if I want to scatter my loved ones ashes?

We are looking into having a place for plaques to attached to a rock(s), so you can officially have a place to walk to and reflect. We know how important the Rubicon Trail is to some people, and we think it's really important for people to have a legal place to put a plaque to remember a loved one. We will have more information about this later.
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Do all routes to group sites need to start at the main camping area?

Are there any plans to add more than one entrance to the property?
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Do all routes to group sites need to start at the main camping area?
Yes. We are planning like a sign like MASH....telling you were to go.


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Are there any plans to add more than one entrance to the property?
Definitely no, but not through lack of want. This is exactly why this has taken so long. The medium/short answer is.....Go to the map on the map page. The property is surrounded by USFS to the north and south, RSSI to the East and RTP to the West.

North - Out of the question, since there is no road to get to there.

South - We could come up from trail by Buck, across USFS property, however it is designated "Roadless", so literally, someone in congress would have to champion this easement. Now, given that the swamp has been slightly drained, our odds would improve....but the reality, getting that done would be cost prohibitive in lobby, etc.

East - This is RSSI property and if you've ever floated by the rope swing and looked up...Yeah...that's us up there. Operative word, UP. The only place that was remotely possible, was in Dirty Dozen, where we own half. But it's still very dangerous wall and something that would be difficult at best. And definitely not something we'd want the public to attempt. It's still quit steep where our property touches in Dirty Dozen.

West - This was the best option, and RTP owned it. So, the final solution was to do actual land swap. RTP gave us acreage to the trail and we gave them a portion in return. So this 30 acre section in the South/West corner from RTP, is our only legal entrance. We've built a road (last summer) and have just a few touch ups before it's ready for the public. That is being done July 22. Then we have 2 jamborees and 50th annual sierra trek...so that's why we decided on Aug 18-20.

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Yes. We are planning like a sign like MASH....telling you were to go.




Definitely no, but not through lack of want. This is exactly why this has taken so long. The medium/short answer is.....Go to the map on the map page. The property is surrounded by USFS to the north and south, RSSI to the East and RTP to the West.

North - Out of the question, since there is no road to get to there.

South - We could come up from trail by Buck, across USFS property, however it is designated "Roadless", so literally, someone in congress would have to champion this easement. Now, given that the swamp has been slightly drained, our odds would improve....but the reality, getting that done would be cost prohibitive in lobby, etc.

East - This is RSSI property and if you've ever floated by the rope swing and looked up...Yeah...that's us up there. Operative word, UP. The only place that was remotely possible, was in Dirty Dozen, where we own half. But it's still very dangerous wall and something that would be difficult at best. And definitely not something we'd want the public to attempt. It's still quit steep where our property touches in Dirty Dozen.

West - This was the best option, and RTP owned it. So, the final solution was to do actual land swap. RTP gave us acreage to the trail and we gave them a portion in return. So this 30 acre section in the South/West corner from RTP, is our only legal entrance. We've built a road (last summer) and have just a few touch ups before it's ready for the public. That is being done July 22. Then we have 2 jamborees and 50th annual sierra trek...so that's why we decided on Aug 18-20.

Hope that helps.
Thank you for the information, pardon my ignorance on the property.
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Thank you for the information, pardon my ignorance on the property.
Great question...and I will be adding to the FAQ.
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It started out as 317 acres. Not sure what it is after the land swap.
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Roughly 288 acres, and roughly 260 available for camping. The initial portion, is the route in.
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How many group sites are going to be allowed?
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Going in tomorrow. Would it be ok to park at gate and hike in to check it out? Won't drive in
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Going in tomorrow. Would it be ok to park at gate and hike in to check it out? Won't drive in
Curious on this also. Was up there a few weeks ago and it seemed the trail in was open?
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The cable right next to Indian trail / slabs is or has been open, there is another cable/gate a short distance down trail that was locked at Rubithon.
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Yes....checking it out is totally ok by hiking. The road in, is about 1/2 mile.
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Wanted to bring this back up to the top.

Two great happing’s on the trail this weekend.

Make sure to check out Steaks and Stories this Saturday in the Granite Bowl:
https://www.facebook.com/events/823338484498667

After enjoying Steaks and Stories make sure to stop by and see the RTF Property on this Grand Opening Weekend. Details in top post here.
Looking to seeing everyone on the trail.
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What's the current status of the property? Will it be open this weekend?
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Yes. It is open the next 3 weekends. Jonathon Carlos is the caretaker. Be sure to grab a free souvenir.
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Couple old flatty's coming in tomorrow evening. Hoping to stop and maybe stay the night
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What night were you thinking of staying?
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What night were you thinking of staying?
Hope to be rolling in by 3pm today. Unknown how far we'll make it. Are you going to be around this weekend? Might stop and say HI
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Yes, I will be the caretaker this weekend.

I plan to hit the trail (from Loon) around 11:30 tomorrow (Friday) and have the property opened up by 3:00-4:00.

I'll be hanging out at the FOTR Camping area.

I’d like to have the property closed up by 10:00-11:00 on Sunday to head back out.

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Awesome, I'm going to be heading out sometime today, I definitely want to check it out
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