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Old 06-25-2005, 09:11 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Yup. It is kinda wirrd. You see trash all up and down the freeways and highways, yet you never here that the sierra club is trying to shut down I-80.
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Old 06-26-2005, 01:21 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Back to the topic of Litter. Would it make sense for us at this point to put garbage cans along the trail where we're finding trash? Maybe a little sign that says, if you must litter, then please put your trash in here.
That way, some of the great folks who are willing can just grab the bag full of trash on their way out. I am sure we can get both the gabage cans and bags donated.
I think this would be a good idea. There is a view that we should only support pack it in, pack it out and some even see having dumpsters at the entrances as an eroding of that policy. I disagree completely. I do fully agreee with the pack it in, pack it out philosophy...and do this myself...but view it as ideallistic not reality. Honestly, I have the same view for pooh. I'd like to see bathrooms at all entrances and disperse along the trail. Again, it is just not realistic to believe all people will carry out their pooh...even if they are required to carry buckets and wag bags. Sure most on this forum will, but were just a drop in the bucket out there.

All of this is why we need a basicly level of trail management by the agencies responsible for it...Forrest Service, County, and private land owners...with assistance from FOTR, etc. I just hope that by opening the door to managment, we don't see the trail become a weekend a bernies or some sort of lights out at 10:00PM formal camp ground. There needs to be a balance and an understanding that management costs money.
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Old 06-27-2005, 07:57 AM   #53 (permalink)
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I just hope that by opening the door to managment, we don't see the trail become a weekend a bernies or some sort of lights out at 10:00PM formal camp ground. There needs to be a balance and an understanding that management costs money.
I thought that prior to the closure at Spider that it was like a weekend at Bernies

Unfortunatly it looks like things are getting better up there as far as the MEGA crowd party at the box. I guess we will see next weekend. I say unfortunatly because I think this is primarily due to the areas near to the lake being closed.
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Old 06-27-2005, 08:55 AM   #54 (permalink)
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To my suprise, the trail wasnt that drity, most poeple cleaned up after themself. But still there was a little bit of "flaver soda water" can in the camp sites, but not too bad.
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Just got back yesterday.I think for the most part the trail looked somewhat clean Found some shit flowers here and there but not like in the past.Most rigs I saw were carrying a bucket.We were camped up at the end of LS by Dollar Hill.We did stop some fucking idiots from cutting a standing dead tree.They thougt it would be ok because the tree was dead.Ran into two wheelers at just below Buck where the Trail Tough group was at.The two guys we ran into said they just finished cleaning the area (table bilt on to trees by creek).They said they just got through cleaning the site but left the big bag of unburnt shit on the camp fire..Well if this is the case the TT people should stay in Oregon.
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Old 06-28-2005, 07:23 PM   #56 (permalink)
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I believe it is legal (With proper permit) to cut standing dead less that 10" at eye level. Just fyi.
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yes it is legal to cut dead standing trees with a permit.. I have used that permit before.. As far as trash goes, there are some dumpsters at the end of the pavement at Loon Lake.. So you can haul your trash from the trail and dump it there instead of trying to burn your beer cans in the fire pits..
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Yep...Dump my trash there all the time.
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I dump my trash there as well, when they are not overflowing (you have got to be lucky though).

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Ah , LittleDave , there is a difference between crude and refined oil. And FYI the crude is found 1,000's of feet down , rarely if ever at surface level . This means it is part of the ecosystem down there not on top , big difference , hello...........
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good analogy for LittleDave , would you put your -hit on top of your food cause it came from there?
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good analogy for LittleDave , would you put your -hit on top of your food cause it came from there?
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Old 06-30-2005, 03:19 PM   #64 (permalink)
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"And what's up with all the rap music at LS. I thought this was a white boy activity. Leave your rap at the mall!"

Man are you guys pathetic!!!! It's called the first amendment...freedom of speech. I will play whatever the hell I want to, as loud as I want, and there's nothing you people can do about it. You complain about some rap music, when there's people up there running zoomies on thier junk, quads/bikes with straight pipes, and people popping caps with AR-15's??? Wake up man!!! If you don't like what's being played, either turn up your own radio or go somewhere else.

I personally don't give a rats ass what you play. It doesn't bother me a bit. So ****....and quit your whining.

As long as we keep the trail clean is all that matters.

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It doesn't bother me a bit. So STFU....and quit your bitchin.
As long as we keep the trail clean is all that matters.
It's this kind of attitude that spoils everyplace where more than one person goes. ****'n wear headphones if you want to play music loud. Why should someone else be subjected to your likes. maybe we can get the sheriff's to inforce the noise levels like they do in the cities?

and it's NOT just about keeping it clean, it's about keeping it open...

and sorry but the same amendment gives us the right to talk as we do, so you be quiet or go post somewhere else.

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Man are you guys pathetic!!!! It's called the first amendment...freedom of speech. edited.
Damn dude, what crawled from last week. you have lost it dont make me come over to your house and bitch slap your ass
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People seem to forget where "rights" come from. In essence they come from the general agreement by the rest of us that we will tolerate whatever it is you are doing. Piss enough people off and you get slapped down. I may be a child of the 60s but sometimes I think we have become too tolerant.

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Sorry....didn't mean to offend anybody here.

Basically, let me just say this and I'll be gone. I'm not one to go to the con and blast 10,000W stereo all day and night. That's not me. Nor do I think it's right. Nor did I see or hear anybody doing it when I was there. My point is that if you respect everybody and don't blair your music at midnight or early am, you should be able to listen to whatever music that you like during the day. If I want to play rap or country or whatever loud while I'm tackling an obstacle, who cares??? I'll be on my way up the trail in a couple of minutes and you won't hear me again... I did hear some music at the LS, but the people screaming back and forth and whatever vehicle at the time was in the box was drowning out the music anyway. I think you all just need to relax, enjoy the con, and have a good time. You all seem way too uptight and picky.

I like the con just like the rest of you. And I respect the trail. I pick up my trash, i tread lightly, and I don't yell/party/blair music at 3am. But you have no right to tell me I can't listen to whatever music I like during the day.
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Sorry....didn't mean to offend anybody here.

Basically, let me just say this and I'll be gone. I'm not one to go to the con and blast 10,000W stereo all day and night. That's not me. Nor do I think it's right. Nor did I see or hear anybody doing it when I was there. My point is that if you respect everybody and don't blair your music at midnight or early am, you should be able to listen to whatever music that you like during the day. If I want to play rap or country or whatever loud while I'm tackling an obstacle, who cares??? I'll be on my way up the trail in a couple of minutes and you won't hear me again... I did hear some music at the LS, but the people screaming back and forth and whatever vehicle at the time was in the box was drowning out the music anyway. I think you all just need to relax, enjoy the con, and have a good time. You all seem way too uptight and picky.

I like the con just like the rest of you. And I respect the trail. I pick up my trash, i tread lightly, and I don't yell/party/blair music at 3am. But you have no right to tell me I can't listen to whatever music I like during the day.
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It's this kind of attitude that spoils everyplace where more than one person goes. ****'n wear headphones if you want to play music loud. Why should someone else be subjected to your likes. maybe we can get the sheriff's to inforce the noise levels like they do in the cities?

and it's NOT just about keeping it clean, it's about keeping it open...

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Ah , LittleDave , there is a difference between crude and refined oil. And FYI the crude is found 1,000's of feet down , rarely if ever at surface level . This means it is part of the ecosystem down there not on top , big difference , hello...........
I saw Beverley Hillbillys so I know what I am talking about. Sometimes the oil is just there and sometimes it is real deep. Oh, and I think poop is OK to eat if it's still fresh.

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