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Old 10-26-2010, 06:21 PM   #201 (permalink)
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The Rubicon was built by "the government" and for well over 50 years has belonged to "the government". Without that there never would have been a trail and now they could have just chosen to wash their hands of it and gate it. I'm just grateful I got to enjoy some of the years when they ignored it. "The goverment" was forced into this position by the greenies, it's the way of the world now. Sucks, but we don't have a gate like so many do all around the country. I'm grateful our local "government" cares to keep it open.
correction; the trail is owned by us the people the taxpayers, not the government. this is an important distinction. the lefty govt. bureaucrats have hijacked so many levels of our good country from top to bottom especially in california. i think the level of govt. in everything has us forgetting that we are supposed to be the boss. it's sad the govt. agencies are doing this depite all of our efforts. i agree its good that there is no gate but dont speak to soon, those are easy to put up.
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Old 10-26-2010, 08:16 PM   #202 (permalink)
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And being heard...
The fact that this forum is open dictates that you can be heard if that is your wish.

So....
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Communication, the four parts.
1st party sends a message, verbal, written etc.
2nd party receives message
2nd party understands message "as it was sent"
1st party receives acknowledgment of message as well as acknowledgment of understanding.

Uh... you may have missed what I feel is the most important principle in communications -

#1 The assumption of "Good Faith" between the parties.

When the perception of good faith is returned, I am sure so shall the spirit of open and fruitful communications.
Was not missing it but I do get the point and yes, it needs to assumed that there is "good faith". In the most basic and simple assumption, faith, honesty and all that would be excluded. But if the message is not in good faith is it the exact message or is there another with a deeper, different meaning? What is the message? Real or perceived? If is truly understood and is as it is, it is communication. Mucks it all up, doesn't it.

Really, do not answer because this can go on forever.

Point taken. Thanks, I do get ya.
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Old 10-27-2010, 08:58 PM   #204 (permalink)
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I've been waiting to comment much until I saw the work first hand. I went on a day trip today and I'd have to say the people who did the work did a great job. I really expected a hiway complete with a solid yellow line the way people on here speak. The work looks great and with the recent heavy rains seems to work well. Not too much standing water on the trail and the silt basins were full of silt. Walker hill is still a hoot when covered in a sheet of ice. There are two trees that came down the last storm that should be moved but can be passed while staying completely on the trail. I saw some pedestrians checking out the work, hopefully they were happy.
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Old 10-27-2010, 09:13 PM   #205 (permalink)
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Maniac thanks you for your post Trying to do his best to strike a balance between what RMK would like to see and what we need to accomplish to keep the trail open for future generations. Thanks Aggro
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Old 10-27-2010, 11:12 PM   #206 (permalink)
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Just a Thought

Judging from the pictures herein.......... there is no way the methodology of the CVRWQCB Sediment Non Study could be employed on the remediated sections of trail.
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Old 10-28-2010, 12:05 PM   #207 (permalink)
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I've been waiting to comment much until I saw the work first hand. I went on a day trip today and I'd have to say the people who did the work did a great job. I really expected a hiway complete with a solid yellow line the way people on here speak. The work looks great and with the recent heavy rains seems to work well. Not too much standing water on the trail and the silt basins were full of silt. Walker hill is still a hoot when covered in a sheet of ice. There are two trees that came down the last storm that should be moved but can be passed while staying completely on the trail. I saw some pedestrians checking out the work, hopefully they were happy.
Glad you made it up there.

I got a question. If the sand/silt basins were full with one rain storm, now what?
Maybe the county engineer needs to redesign them. Most look like they could hold a couple wheel barrows full. A 3' deep cone shaped pit. If you dig them out the sand/silt needs to go where?
A better design in my pee brain would be a series of shallow dams about 18" tall and several of them in the row. This way when one fills up with silt/sand the next one continues the collection process. Plus the hydraulic action of making the water rise up and over slows the water down. A side benefit is you can easily dig them out. The cone shaped one can only be clean out by hand vs using the RTF backhoe. Maybe the county engineer could make them more rectangular so they could be easier dig out with the backhoe. I'm just ASSuming were going to have to haul it to a different location.

Did you get a pic of a full pit?
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Old 10-30-2010, 11:09 AM   #208 (permalink)
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I got a question. If the sand/silt basins were full with one rain storm, now what?.
I asked Kooyman that about last year's basins...his answer is that they'll fill up quickly the first big rain event because of all the surface disturbance caused by the work. He expects to empty them one time, and then is thinking they won't fill but every few years after that.

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I'm just ASSuming were going to have to haul it to a different location.
A valid assumption...the plan is to stockpile and silt trap the dirt and use it later for restoration projects. I assume they'll do that at the landing at 14N05?
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Old 11-01-2010, 08:57 AM   #209 (permalink)
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this pic is just pasted ells, where you could go left thought a bypass. you can see all the rocks pushed aside. also walker hill where alot of people would scrape there passenger side top. that whole area was raised 3' . now you can look at the scrape mark thought your window.
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Glad you made it up there.

I got a question. If the sand/silt basins were full with one rain storm, now what?
Maybe the county engineer needs to redesign them. Most look like they could hold a couple wheel barrows full. A 3' deep cone shaped pit. If you dig them out the sand/silt needs to go where?
A better design in my pee brain would be a series of shallow dams about 18" tall and several of them in the row. This way when one fills up with silt/sand the next one continues the collection process. Plus the hydraulic action of making the water rise up and over slows the water down. A side benefit is you can easily dig them out. The cone shaped one can only be clean out by hand vs using the RTF backhoe. Maybe the county engineer could make them more rectangular so they could be easier dig out with the backhoe. I'm just ASSuming were going to have to haul it to a different location.

Did you get a pic of a full pit?
The silt traps were full of water. No pics. There was definitely significant soil movement from that series of storms and they seemed to be in fine shape. Alot of the new riprap was also covered in mud, holes filled in etc...so it didn't "look" like so much paving material was installed. I would have added more cobble to a few areas knowing what I do about standing water in the winter months.
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this pic is just pasted ells, where you could go left thought a bypass. you can see all the rocks pushed aside. also walker hill where alot of people would scrape there passenger side top. that whole area was raised 3' . now you can look at the scrape mark thought your window.
The excavator has maybe 12" to its belly pan. They have to push all the stones off the trail to even drive it on the trail. Or have enough boulders to just drive on top of the fill, like at the top of walker hill ( see above pic)

Your pic shows exactly what they are doing. Pushing the stones to the sides and piling rip-rap along the sides of the trail.

I "think" the engineers are trying to prevent erosion by harding the edges with rip-rap and boulders from the trail and building water bars to divert the flow.

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Kurtuleas-haven't got my Crawl yet, did you see it early cause you work there?

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Kurtuleas-haven't got my Crawl yet, did you see it early cause you work there?
Got mine today. Two really good Rubicon articles.

Mike O., great work thanks!

Kurt?...what can I say man. Great work on all your writing, but the WFTW article was over the top. Great stuff.
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Kurt?...what can I say man. Great work on all your writing, but the WFTW article was over the top. Great stuff.
Thanks John, but the WFTW article was not me...that was Larry. I was SUPPOSED to cover it for Kevin and do that run, but i could not becuase it was too close to Shannon's due date. I wrote the Havasu piece and covered the Ultra4 Stampede.

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Sorry about that, Kurt. I made time to read the whole mag (at least all the land use part) this morning. Guess I got mixed up. Either way, IMO we wouldn't be seeing all this great land use coverage if not for your efforts.

Great to see CRAWL making a concerted effort in the land use arena...to my knowledge, they are the first commercially viable mag to do so. This is, in my opinon ANOTHER trend setting effort on CRAWL's part. The first mag to bring good consistent hardcore coverage (not a buncha bolt-on stuff and race grandstand viewpoint)...now, once again, they are bringing the great land use coverage. Wow!
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