Trail Conditions 2011

[jon bachelder]

Originally Posted by bagman

Your a Sally if you don't jump in Buck!

Bring the the big bar. The logs were big.

He does not have a big bar. Just a really small bar and one that's twice as big as a really small bar. You can leave the bar off until needed. That is how I carry my 32" bar, it stows much easier.

using a chain wrapped around a log and pulling it away from the jam is usually quicker than trying to cut your way through. But be really careful that the driver does not make a move until the guy setting the chain is well out of the way.

[jon bachelder]

Originally Posted by '00Tacosinger

any pics of this log jam?? I'm set up for 7' diameter trees bring um on!

https://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthrea...625&highlight=

This was in early november after the october flood. I didn't get the scale of those logs very well. Multiple 24" and larger logs jammed together. Like someone posted they are jammed with smaller limbs so it will be tough going for a sawyer. There will be lots of work for swampers to muck out the small stuff while the sawyer keeps cutting, so be really careful.

Might be easier to bring some log tongs and chains and just grab and drag the bigger logs elsewhere to buck up at a later date.

[rockthedog]

just a heads up we drove by a guy getting a dui at about the open area before the y to wentworth. two leos on foot. their jeep was parked at gatekeeper. it was sat.
all it takes is a little common sense to avoid being "that guy"

[Bebe]

Originally Posted by jon bachelder

https://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthrea...625&highlight=

This was in early november after the october flood. I didn't get the scale of those logs very well. Multiple 24" and larger logs jammed together. Like someone posted they are jammed with smaller limbs so it will be tough going for a sawyer. There will be lots of work for swampers to muck out the small stuff while the sawyer keeps cutting, so be really careful.

Might be easier to bring some log tongs and chains and just grab and drag the bigger logs elsewhere to buck up at a later date.

Jon,

Where did the logs come from? They all look cut like they were snags or someone's firewood.

You also mentioned needing to use the upper trail - is that legal or was it one of the optional routes the County/Property Owners closed during the last round of variant closures?

Thanks, Bebe

['00Tacosinger]

Originally Posted by jon bachelder

https://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthrea...625&highlight=



Might be easier to bring some log tongs and chains and just grab and drag the bigger logs elsewhere to buck up at a later date.

yea, for smaller logs like that a set of tongs or a choker would be easier, quicker and safer. a spare 100' line and a pair of blocks will help as well.
just buck things into 20' lengths and start skidding logs. Set the block(s) up as high in a tree as possible.

The cut logs in those Nov pics look like they came from up the trail...used to block bypasses? part of owner's areas?

[jon bachelder]

Originally Posted by Bebe

Jon,

Where did the logs come from? They all look cut like they were snags or someone's firewood.

You also mentioned needing to use the upper trail - is that legal or was it one of the optional routes the County/Property Owners closed during the last round of variant closures?


Thanks, Bebe

Most of the logs that delineate the trail in the mechanic shack area floated up and jammed at the narrow spot in front of the cabin. If peeps do start on that jam it'd be great if they remember how it was, kind of a one lane road through there and people set their tents up on the other side of the logs. It's a pretty straight pull from the cabin jam if someone starts skidding logs they could pull them south and try to create that lane/barrier again. That would save us the work of re-skidding them into place. There is a sprinkler system along that lane used for dust control that runs along the east edge of that lane so be mindful of that, but it prolly needs a lot of repair anyway.



The upper trail is pretty old, might actually be the original trail. I have followed property owners over it as recent as last summer so I think it's still valid.

Originally Posted by '00Tacosinger

yea, for smaller logs like that a set of tongs or a choker would be easier, quicker and safer. a spare 100' line and a pair of blocks will help as well.
just buck things into 20' lengths and start skidding logs. Set the block(s) up as high in a tree as possible.

The cut logs in those Nov pics look like they came from up the trail...used to block bypasses? part of owner's areas?

Yes, for the most part they are logs that were placed along the trail in the Main camp area. Another good reason to not turn them into firewood if possible so they can be "re-deployed".

[resqme]

JJUSA has a work crew flying in today. They have multiple tasks...bathrooms, kitchen, camp area, etc. One of their specific plans is to clean up main camp and the log jam, and they are sending in folks capble of doing it (treecutters and a UH-1 helicopter to try and sling the logs over).

['00Tacosinger]

Originally Posted by resqme

(treecutters and a UH-1 helicopter to try and sling the logs over).

wow, that would be fun to watch

maybe they'll secure those big logs this time...drive some 3' steel stakes in at the ends and chain them down.

[jimmysc13]

Just before old sluice.. i think..

we ended up clearing that whole drift out of the river.

walker hill, wouldn't have been to bad except for this big hole.. i got stuck in it. On the way out it was much smaller

[randii]

Originally Posted by resqme

JJUSA has a work crew flying in today. They have multiple tasks...bathrooms, kitchen, camp area, etc. One of their specific plans is to clean up main camp and the log jam, and they are sending in folks capble of doing it (treecutters and a UH-1 helicopter to try and sling the logs over).

Damned property owners, changing the trail and opening it up so that everyone can get through.

Randii

[Daddy4zack]

going in tomorrow.. cant wait.. Strait to buck and out Sunday.. ]

[Keith]

IMHO, skidding the logs with the current condition of the trail is not a good idea.

['00Tacosinger]

Originally Posted by Keith

IMHO, skidding the logs with the current condition of the trail is not a good idea.

you don't run them down the trail. just set a block up high in a tree and drag them up/off the side of the trail.

[yotapower1]

Originally Posted by Keith

IMHO, skidding the logs with the current condition of the trail is not a good idea.

there was no mention of skidding they have a helicopter. If they dont move them they dont get money they sell the springs to a bunch of tree huggers and whamo no more tahoe side of the con!!

['00Tacosinger]

Originally Posted by yotapower1

there was no mention of skidding they have a helicopter. If they dont move them they dont get money they sell the springs to a bunch of tree huggers and whamo no more tahoe side of the con!!

skidding logs was discussed before the helo info showed up

[R290]

Mute point on skidding logs. The forest is open to logging. I see truck loads most everyday on the way home from work. Not sure why that was even posted. I guess Heading up this afternoon will post up the lack of snow shots

[pilothillcrawler]

Got back yesterday evening from our midweek run, unfortunatly I do not have much to add to what has already been posted. We only went to soup bowl. But, the snow is melting VERY fast. I will try and post a couple photos this evening...

[twn44s]

If anyone makes it past the property line in the Springs heading towards Tahoe if you can take pics please, Miller Creek, S-turn on Cad, anything of interest I'm trying to get some info for a July 9th FOTR Field trip that is planned to come in from the Tahoe side, also pics / depth of snow on the Tahoe side, if you do not want to post them here please email them to me [email protected]

Thank you

Rusty

[foxeod]

was the road to the kiosk open to smaller vehicle travel

[pilothillcrawler]

When the kiosk is mentioned, is that the building down at the spillway? Near the bathroom and wag bag receptacle?
If that is the building that is in question, then no not yet. But the SMUD guy that we pulled out of the snow near the camp grounds said that it will all be clear on monday.

[foxeod]

Yes it is. I was there Sundayi figured with these temps it would be by now there wasn't much snow left on the road.

[pilothillcrawler]

yep, still snow on the road, but just one stretch that is a couple hundred yards. SMUD guy was in a stock 4x4 chevy half-ton, had to pull him out, he wasn't going anywhere. But after we pulled him out he said he was going to make sure the snow was all gone buy monday, lol. Oh an he was a BIG sumbitch!

[nickx]

any ideas where to park a tow rig and trailer if snow is still on the road?

[cruzila]

Originally Posted by nickx

any ideas where to park a tow rig and trailer if snow is still on the road?

https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showp...&postcount=208

What you can do that will work is to turn right on the little road as you get to the Chalet at Loon Lake. That is a large area where you can park tow rigs etc. You may not camp at any FS campground there if you do not occupy it. Meaning you have to be there to park/camp. Since you are going to be using the trail and spending the night, you just want to park and you can get in there right now if you were there.

The parking is free and as safe as it can be anywhere up there. Go for it!!

p.s. That lot is a gravel helipad so do not park on that, there is plenty of room there.
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[root beer cj]

Love the pics, keep em coming!!