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Old 04-22-2017, 05:01 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Did you buy flourescent fixtures, complete with ballasts, then chuck the ballasts to accept the led conversion bulbs???

If so, why? Wouldn't it have been cheaper and easier to buy led fixtures. Now you're also committed to buying replacement retrofit t8 led bulbs if yours ever quit.
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Old 04-22-2017, 12:41 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Did you buy flourescent fixtures, complete with ballasts, then chuck the ballasts to accept the led conversion bulbs???

If so, why? Wouldn't it have been cheaper and easier to buy led fixtures. Now you're also committed to buying replacement retrofit t8 led bulbs if yours ever quit.
I bought used fixtures with some broken bulbs and who knows the ballast condition for a few bucks apiece. I have $45 plus my time into the fixtures that put out 10k lumens each. I couldn't find any fixtures for that price with that much light output. Everything 10k+ lumens we're over $100 each.
Yes I'm stuck buying two row t8 LEDs, but they're only a click away on Amazon
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Old 04-22-2017, 01:33 PM   #53 (permalink)
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How much are you into the fence other than what you got from Super Cool Tools?

Router insert pics?
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Old 04-22-2017, 07:31 PM   #54 (permalink)
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How much are you into the fence other than what you got from Super Cool Tools?

Router insert pics?
Not sure exactly because I bought full sticks, but its 7' of 2x3x.120 tube, and 7' of 3x3x1/4 angle. Probably <$75 with steel, paint, and mounting hardware.
Router insert is a Bosch table cut into mine. I was just going to buy the base, but for all the features you get with the table kit I went that route for only slightly more money.
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Thanks. Are you using the Colt for the router table or something bigger?

Did you get the VSCT extrusion or buy your own from 80/20? allegedly they are proprietary but they look identical. Sorry for the questions but I am thinking about adding it to my Ridgid contractor saw cuz that fence sucks. Then I can use it on a bigger saw when I get one.

6' x 12' table is HUGE
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Old 04-23-2017, 06:36 PM   #56 (permalink)
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Bosch 1617EVSPK, and the table is RA1171.
VSCT extrusion, never heard of 80/20 till now.

I bought a 10 yo Delta 10in saw last week for the same price as the fence in hopes of having a much better saw and biesemier fence all in one shot. But the Delta is 2x2 rail and would have been too much to make it fit 2x3, so I resold and ordered the vsct stuff. I'd like a better saw eventually, but for what I do it's fine.
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Old 04-24-2017, 09:46 AM   #57 (permalink)
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that woodstove heat reclaimer is cool

how does it work ?
pipe inside or is it open
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Old 04-24-2017, 11:44 AM   #58 (permalink)
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Pipe from the bottom is about 2" into the barrel, then a 12"x12" plate deflects the smoke through the barrel. The tubes through it get hot, and a fan blows through it for now, hopefully a furnace blower at some point.
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Looks really good so far, and beautiful country. I'd love to have space for wrenching and the woodshop beside. I look forward to seeing the rest!
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Thanks!
Got most of one wall done. Double side vapor barrier, insulated, sheeting, and 20ga sheet on the bottom. This wall needed to get done first as I'm building 12' of cabinets on that wall. Even put up a piece of concrete board behind the stove for piece of mind.
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Is that vapor barrier on both sides of the insulation?
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Old 04-30-2017, 08:29 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Yes. It is more encapsulating the fiberglass. The outside layer is on the inside of the flat 2x4s so there's still an air gap between the metal and the fiberglass to keep condensation off of the insulation.
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Building paper or wrap or Tyvek on the outer side of the fiberglass would allow the insulation to breathe while keeping condensation off the insulation.

I think VB on both sides will trap moisture when the dew point is reached inside the insulation and the promote mold growth. YMMV


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I'm hoping it's OK. I could tyvek on the other wall. The outside layer is just pulled tight in the 2X4 lath so there's a gap every 4' at the 4X6's.
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Yeah, you really don’t want vb on both sides of fiberglass. Moisture will get in there and then not be able to get out. You’re setting yourself up for a mold factory.
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So why do they make fully encapsulated fiberglass bats?
That's what I was thinking of when I only had the choice if unfaced in 4' wide.
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Because it is encapsulated so Susie Soccer Mom doesn’t have to touch the fiberglass after getting the bug to DIY after watching HGTV, but still only has a vb on one side…

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The product is encapsulated in a vapor-permeable poly sheeting and available with or without an attached Kraft vapor barrier. It is designed for use in standard wood stud assemblies.
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Thanks for the info, I never looked into it too deeply. Cross my fingers this wall doesn't cause me any issues. I will get house wrap for the other wall to keep the insulation off the metal. Thankfully it will be rare to have the shop over 60* when it's cold out, and only weekends so hopefully it doesn't fuck me.
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As I say, with it sealed up like that it will turn into a mold factory.
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As I say, with it sealed up like that it will turn into a mold factory.
Yup.
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I would consider the implications of what these guys are telling you. For instance, if you have a mold issue, you won't find out until it has gotten really bad. What will be the time / effort / costs at that point?

Might be worth thinking about the effort to fix the problem now while you are in construction mode rather than later on.

Life sucks then you die, and some lessens are learned the hard way, but putting a blind eye to a known problem is only asking for it to explode on you in the worst way.

I don't mean to be a jerk, just I have been in similar situations and wished my future self would have kicked my ass to resolve the issue then and there rather than waiting till it got worse, more expensive, and a much larger issue...
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I would consider the implications of what these guys are telling you. For instance, if you have a mold issue, you won't find out until it has gotten really bad. What will be the time / effort / costs at that point?
When you find it years down the road, it will be moldy and rotting - so replace the sheathing, insulation, and probably the framing since it will all be rotten at the bottom. Not that I’ve seen it that bad time and time again…
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As dry as it is up in WY you might be fine.
To do it right you should take the outer facing side down, or poke a ton of holes in it.
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Like I said, there is a gap every 4', 12' tall 4"wide. Hopefully that's enough for air to move through. I think I will wait till fall and pull off a few metal sheets and check it, way easier than pulling off the sheeting.
Thanks for the input, I appreciate the concern.
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This is what I keep seeing - notice the foil vb on the outside and then the kraft vb is on the inside:



I’ve seen it on buildings less than five years old. Then you have to replace studs that are rotten at the bottom, all the moldy insulation, sheathing, drywall, sills, and then have to sister joists that were framed into it - everything just rotten.
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