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Old 11-01-2018, 08:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Talk me out of a Miller 212

I want to buy a brand new 212, any shop i worked in had one and I never experienced any issues. Its the tried and true version in my eyes. Always liked the infinite adjustment of the Miller over Hobart.

My HH187 has been good the past 7-8 years, I just want to step up to a slightly better machine.

For ~$2000, is there anything else i should consider?
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Old 11-01-2018, 08:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Do you want the auto set feature?

Seems like a gimmick to me.

Can you even get a new Miller welder without the auto set?



The 212 is just a newer model of the 210. I love my 210.
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Do you want the auto set feature?

Seems like a gimmick to me.

Can you even get a new Miller welder without the auto set?



The 212 is just a newer model of the 210. I love my 210.
I dont need it, but ive never used it either. Too many instances of welding two different size materials to believe its useful, but i have no idea.
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For $2k to replace a HH187, unless you are currently going beyond what the 187 can handle then I think you should strongly consider a multi-process machine like greentruck posted.

https://www.millerwelds.com/equipmen...welders-m00488

https://www.millerwelds.com/equipmen...welders-m30021

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Not for nothing, but my old bos bought a esab 110v unit with the auto func, what a worthless joke. Im smart enough to set a welder to do what i need it to do and do what i tell it to how and when i tell it to do it. Auto func is for retards who cant weld but have money to burn.
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I have a miller 252 new never been even hooked up... comes with everything from the store.. bought it last March so still has over 2 years warranty... will let you have it for $2,000 cash
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Old 11-02-2018, 06:56 AM   #8 (permalink)
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i got 212 i bought brand new and had it for couple of years

i dont use the autoset feature
i was going to buy the bigger machine with better duty cycle
but in 2 years i own the machine i didnt really need bigger machine
and duty cycles i just got used to.

it looses power as if you weld for longer time without letting it cool
thats only downside
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If you use it daily get the miller. If its just used on weekends get a Hobart 210.

But I use my Hobart 210 daily but for light work, zero issues it flat works. I never have duty cycled it out on "thicker" metal mostly 3/16'' to 1/4'' though. Plus its smaller unit, at least model I got, so its relatively portable too. I was in the same position needing a larger unit and the Hobart being $1200 cheaper over the miller, I saved my money. I also mine came with a spool gun which is handy if you lack a tig and need to make some repairs in AL.

Miller and Hobart are under the same parent company, mine actually came with a miller torch.
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Had it been out, I would have picked this up vs the Hobart 210 I got. If it's home shop, occasional use, I'd rather the multi-process machine as I'd like to expand my options. Production, go with the Miller.
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I have a miller 252 new never been even hooked up... comes with everything from the store.. bought it last March so still has over 2 years warranty... will let you have it for $2,000 cash
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Old 11-02-2018, 11:32 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Old 11-02-2018, 11:41 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I have Had a 212 since it first came out. Have ran a couple hundred pounds of wire threw it with no issues.
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For $2k to replace a HH187, unless you are currently going beyond what the 187 can handle then I think you should strongly consider a multi-process machine like greentruck posted.

https://www.millerwelds.com/equipmen...welders-m00488

https://www.millerwelds.com/equipmen...welders-m30021

or go with one of these
Cant say i need to tig, i just have projects where ill lay down spools of wire. And those machines look like theyre $1k more

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I have a miller 252 new never been even hooked up... comes with everything from the store.. bought it last March so still has over 2 years warranty... will let you have it for $2,000 cash
Logistics would probably kill the deal.

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If you use it daily get the miller. If its just used on weekends get a Hobart 210.

But I use my Hobart 210 daily but for light work, zero issues it flat works. I never have duty cycled it out on "thicker" metal mostly 3/16'' to 1/4'' though. Plus its smaller unit, at least model I got, so its relatively portable too. I was in the same position needing a larger unit and the Hobart being $1200 cheaper over the miller, I saved my money. I also mine came with a spool gun which is handy if you lack a tig and need to make some repairs in AL.

Miller and Hobart are under the same parent company, mine actually came with a miller torch.
X2 for the hobart 210... Unless you need more dooty cycle. Then you need some type of International harvester 384.
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Old 11-02-2018, 09:43 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I've had one for about 8yrs. I bought it because I wanted the "old technology" for long term durability vs an inverter machine. Like others have mentioned, I never use the autoset feature. The only problem I've had is due to the local welding shop mixing .030" tips in with .035".......fuckers. You will never max out it's duty cycle doing automotive welding. I think it's a great buy.
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Ive had the 212 for about 5-6 years now and love it. Wound up buying from cyberweld.com because nobody local would get close to their price. Sometimes I use the autoset... sometimes I don't.
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Old 11-05-2018, 07:25 AM   #19 (permalink)
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i have an old school 212 without the fancy features and it runs great. I had a 211 before with the autoset stuff and half way liked it. Easy to run a quick weld without messing with settings for an oldball job.
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Old 11-05-2018, 05:58 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I've had one for about 4 years, its treated me well. I have an inverter 211 as well, but I keep it out at the cabin. Both are good setups, I mostly wanted the "old school" machine to do this.



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Old 11-05-2018, 07:15 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I'm a Lincoln guy.
Love my 255.
But, would never dis a Miller!
But, WE never ask about red, only blue!
212 should serve well, but would recommend the 252 or whatever replaced the Miller 250.
Worked at a truck shop that had a Miller 210, and we used that thing relentlessly! Never skipped a beat!
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Just my opinion, I would either go hobart mvp210(miller 211) or jump to a miller 252 or hobart 230ironman...
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I had the Miller 187 and upgraded to the ESAB for just $1400 black Friday deal at airgas. The esab has been my favorite machine ever. Way better than the miller or Lincoln I had before. Just fyi.
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I just dont know enough about the inverter machines to trust them. Whats the advantage? Long term reliability?

Im not dissing the HH187. But the reason an ironman 230 is out, is because i want the finer adjustment of the Miller.

Something about a touch pad and screen instead of two knobs doesnt sit well with my either.

Buying it under the business name. So a used machine doesnt make sense, considering how they hold their value. I have a half dozen bottles floating around as well.
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I just dont know enough about the inverter machines to trust them. Whats the advantage? Long term reliability?

Im not dissing the HH187. But the reason an ironman 230 is out, is because i want the finer adjustment of the Miller.

Something about a touch pad and screen instead of two knobs doesnt sit well with my either.

Buying it under the business name. So a used machine doesnt make sense, considering how they hold their value. I have a half dozen bottles floating around as well.
Before buying my 255xt I was looking at inverter machines but the duty cycle on the machines I was looking at was quite low. The biggest reason I wanted to upgrade from my 155 was hitting the over temp cut out of the suitcase welder which clinched my decision. Duty cycle is no longer an issue for me.
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