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Old 02-06-2019, 08:13 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Aluminum Shovel.......thots?

As an excuse to use the tig, and make a custom one-off item for my rig, I'm going to make an aluminum recovery shovel.

Why aluminum?
Well......because my little rig is getting heavier and heavier with each additional piece of equipment that I add on / into it. This will be light, but not as practical as a full size and heavy shovel, but that's ok.

Thinking of a design similar to these;

https://www.kartek.com/parts/multi-p...l-28-long.html

https://agency6.com/collections/shovel-mount-combo

I would like to add on a strip of stainless steel along the cutting edge of the blade however, say 1.5" in width or so. With the stainless being tougher, thinner and more sharp than the 3/16ths aluminum, it will penetrate the snow, dirt and gravel better.

Thinking of using rivets to hold the stainless strip it in place. Whadda ya think? Will they hold? Maybe mild steel rivets? Copper?
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Old 02-06-2019, 08:28 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 02-06-2019, 08:34 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Now, that was a helpful reply
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moon metal rivets would be good, csunk ones for easier ground stabbing
or steel rivets but then they'll tear the alu before failing, and setting them might be tough

for the effort, seems like you could save a half lb elsewhere a lot easier

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Old 02-06-2019, 09:35 AM   #5 (permalink)
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for the effort, seems like you could save a half lb elsewhere a lot easier
I'm with this.

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I'm hard on mine and I generally carry a full size shovel because anything less sucks at digging. Seems like you'd really have to thicken this thing up to hold up, negating weight savings. Which after weighing a wooden handled steel shovel, is a whopping 1500 grams, or 3.3 lbs.

I'd find a better TIG project personally.
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Old 02-06-2019, 09:40 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I'll look to see what a moon rivet is. Thanks for the idea.

Yes, my thots too with aluminum being soft...... maybe some JB weld along with rivets?

The worst case scenario, is that I just go with aluminum and no SS strip. This will be for recovery only, so for occasional use it should be fine. Touching up the digging edge now and again wont be concern.

I have the scrap aluminum, so I will make it either way.
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I've never used an aluminum shovel I haven't broken. Grain scoops are the worst, plastic FTW.
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I'm no metrologist, but I feel like the specific alloy of aluminum will make or break this project. They are not equal. What alloy are we planning to use?
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I'll look to see what a moon rivet is. Thanks for the idea.
moon metal is loominimum
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Old 02-06-2019, 07:03 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I got a couple on Amazon a few years ago. Large scoop and telescoping handle. Perfect for snow or sand but in hard soil might be a one-time use. Very light.
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:36 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Had aluminum snow shovels in the 80's - they got tore up chipping/shoveling ice. Taking one to rocks would have been pointless. As others have said, there are better places to save weight.
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:28 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I've never used an aluminum shovel I haven't broken. Grain scoops are the worst, plastic FTW.
The Kobalt ones from Lowes are lifetime warrantied.

I had one that lasted 5 years, was plenty fine still till a hired hand used it for 10 mins shoveling sawdust and destroyed it somehow. Like shovel "blade" and handle were damn near at a 90* angle.

Lowes changed it out without question. I felt bad so I bought another one too.
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Old 02-07-2019, 11:11 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I’m with the others. I don’t think an aluminum shovel would hold up that well and the weight savings really won’t be noticeable.

If you’re looking for a compact shovel that could get you out in a pinch, you might consider a folding shovel. You can find US army surplus ones for like $30 on eBay, or any ol’ no name brand for $10.



Some come with picks that fold out too. Just another option.
I’m all for a do-it-yourself project, I just don’t think an aluminum shovel is the way to go, nor do I think the weight difference will save you anything.
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Iím with the others. I donít think an aluminum shovel would hold up that well and the weight savings really wonít be noticeable.

If youíre looking for a compact shovel that could get you out in a pinch, you might consider a folding shovel. You can find US army surplus ones for like $30 on eBay, or any olí no name brand for $10.



Some come with picks that fold out too. Just another option.
Iím all for a do-it-yourself project, I just donít think an aluminum shovel is the way to go, nor do I think the weight difference will save you anything.


I second this. I have one in the truck at all times. It takes up very little space or weight, but is sturdy enough to do real work or use as an axe in a pinch.



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As an excuse to use the tig, and make a custom one-off item for my rig, I'm going to make an aluminum recovery shovel.


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I would like to add on a strip of stainless steel along the cutting edge of the blade however, say 1.5" in width or so.
Stainless shouldn't go with aluminum. It won't last. It'll corrode in short order (Galvanic reaction). But do what you want.
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You're from the island right?
Have you actually gone outside yet? Looked at the composition of the ground here? Noticed that our soil is a lot of....rock?
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Old 02-09-2019, 06:15 AM   #17 (permalink)
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This is prolly right up there with the most retarded idea of the week. You ever try to push aluminum through the ground? It sticks like a motherfucker. I have prolly spent more hours on the end of a shovel than I would like to admit.

If you plan on actually using the shovel and not just showing it off at the local Jeep meet get one of these. They are my favorite #2 shovel. I have to own 20 of these guys.
https://www.homelectrical.com/kodiak...0aAhmmEALw_wcB

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Almost 15 years of wheelin and I have never needed a shovel. Your gay
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Almost 15 years of wheelin and I have never needed a shovel. Your gay
I needed on once in a parking lot. There was a strip that wasn't plowed and I got stuck driving through it

Figured winching off a parked car probably wasn't the best idea.
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I needed on once in a parking lot. There was a strip that wasn't plowed and I got stuck driving through it

Figured winching off a parked car probably wasn't the best idea.
*raises hand*

Guilty of that one.
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*raises hand*

Guilty of that one.

Years ago a friend got his 4 wheeler stuck in a ditch by the RR tracks. No trees or anything around, so he wrapped the cable around the tracks.

It was then he found out that the tracks have low voltage running in them. The winch cable shorted it out and set off alarms on some control board.

They had barely gotten unstuck when a RR truck came by on the tracks to check things out. They got a bit of ass chewing over it.

If you are wondering about the power in the tracks, I guess it's used for tracking where a train is. Least that's what I was told.

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Years ago a friend got his 4 wheeler stuck in a ditch by the RR tracks. No trees or anything around, so he wrapped the cable around the tracks.

It was then he found out that the tracks have low voltage running in them. The winch cable shorted it out and set off alarms on some control board.

They had barely gotten unstuck when a RR truck came by on the tracks to check things out. They got a bit of ass chewing over it.

If you are wondering about the power in the tracks, I guess it's used for tracking where a train is. Least that's what I was told.
They run a voltage between the rails. Rails have a known resistance. The train connects the rails. By measuring the voltage at intervals they know where trains are and aren't. Your dumbass friend made a phantom train appear out of nowhere as far as their instrumentation could tell.

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Years ago a friend got his 4 wheeler stuck in a ditch by the RR tracks. No trees or anything around, so he wrapped the cable around the tracks.

It was then he found out that the tracks have low voltage running in them. The winch cable shorted it out and set off alarms on some control board.

They had barely gotten unstuck when a RR truck came by on the tracks to check things out. They got a bit of ass chewing over it.

If you are wondering about the power in the tracks, I guess it's used for tracking where a train is. Least that's what I was told.
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They run a voltage between the rails. Rails have a known resistance. The train connects the rails. By measuring the voltage at intervals they know where trains are and aren't. Your dumbass friend made a phantom train appear out of nowhere as far as their instrumentation could tell.
I have always heard of people using jumper cables to set off / close the railroad arms. (although I never witnessed it).
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40+ years of wheelin...

And this is what I use most.

https://www.garant.com/tools/s/garde...neering-resin/ Wood handle lasted 20 years

The long metal collar prevents the handle from snapping when you lean on it. Grain shovel (Aluminium ) for snow wheeling only
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I buy bitch shovels with a cut handle (to fit). I don't know the real name but the shovel head is about 30% smaller than a normal shovel.

Aluminum would be cool but I think it would be too soft of metal if you dug anything up but loam or sand.
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