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Old 12-06-2016, 09:15 PM   #26 (permalink)
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So what PB tire are you getting? What made you switch to them?
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So what PB tire are you getting? What made you switch to them?
I went with the 41.5 radial. The sale was the primary reason that I switched. I wound up going with bigger axles on my rebuild and thought about going to the 40" geolandar. It's hard to argue with a 50% off sale, especially when I was quite happy with my 42" pbr's before.
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100% agree. Looking at 37's for 17's seems most are D rated if not E, I have noticed the max load number vary a little most are 3500ish. A C is somewhere like 2900-3100lbs. With going to 17's it seems the tire selection narrows quick and still keep a streetable tire that won't melt off driving it to the wheeling areas. I'm thinking Deegan 38's in a 37-12.50x17 or ProComps MT2 or Nitto TG all seem to be close in tread pattern all D rated.
Like Wilson said, 38" geolander would be the way to go especially with that big 14 bolt you're running out back
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Like Wilson said, 38" geolander would be the way to go especially with that big 14 bolt you're running out back
Joe, Joe, Joe, let us not forget I want to drive this one around, like to Juniper, around up at Naches in the summer, as well as up to the Blues in the summer to hang out, maybe stumble fields in the fall. You know typical XJ Mall Crawler. Hence my consideration for the "short" tires of only 37-12.50's.........big 14 bolt, you mean the "Do what ever I want and not worry about the rear differential" 14 bolt?
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Joe, Joe, Joe, let us not forget I want to drive this one around, like to Juniper, around up at Naches in the summer, as well as up to the Blues in the summer to hang out, maybe stumble fields in the fall. You know typical XJ Mall Crawler. Hence my consideration for the "short" tires of only 37-12.50's.........big 14 bolt, you mean the "Do what ever I want and not worry about the rear differential" 14 bolt?


Two sets of tires are almost mandatory nowadays..... unless you like being in the back of the pack
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Two sets of tires are almost mandatory nowadays..... unless you like being in the back of the pack
Two sets, at once, like ToyotaJohn?
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Two sets, at once, like ToyotaJohn?


Haha exactly! Toyotajohn is my idol
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Two sets of tires are almost mandatory nowadays..... unless you like being in the back of the pack
So who all has two sets of tires? I have 37x12.50x15 Irok radials for rocks and 39.5x13.50x15 Irok radials for snow on a flat fender. I swap tires on bead locks. I really like the snow better than the rocks and go out of the way to keep my snow tires off dry asphalt to keep the leading lugs sharp. I've only got one snow trip in this year, and today's warm rain is rinsing off our little amount of snow we got . I want to go to WA to wheel.
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So to actually get back to what the thread is about, I've had my 38x15.50r15 mud grapplers out a few times now. To be fair, they were damn near at the weather bars when I got them, and are now heavily grooved.

They do seem to flex well at 2-3 lbs under my ~4500 lb 4runner. In the few times I've actually gotten into a patch of decent snow, them seem to grab good also.

I could definitely see a brand new set of these with a little grooving and sipeing doing very well in the snow.
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I would like to hear some feedback on the Nitto Trail Grppler MT in a 37 D rated.
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I guess I'll double post this since it pertains to this thread.

Snow was kinda shitty sugar, with a light crust, but getting better. Was kinda impressed with my experimental nitto mud grapplers, was able to crawl out of this.





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How are they experimental, did you groove them or just trying them out?
I had a good experience last year with mine non grooved, now time to groove and see how it helps but need snow first?
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How are they experimental, did you groove them or just trying them out?
I had a good experience last year with mine non grooved, now time to groove and see how it helps but need snow first?
Both. There has been a lot of talk about them but no real information on how they do in deep snow. I found a set for cheap with 30% tread or so and grooved the heck out of them. I still have yet to test them in deep powder, but so far they are working well.
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I went with the 41.5 radial. The sale was the primary reason that I switched. I wound up going with bigger axles on my rebuild and thought about going to the 40" geolandar. It's hard to argue with a 50% off sale, especially when I was quite happy with my 42" pbr's before.
What size rim are you running? I remember sidewall issues with the 17" rim version???? I know snow is generally not too tough on sidewalls.....

I have PBRR's in the 37" flavor and they work great in about 30" of fresh......

I am lurking for a 40 that works as well as my PBRR's on everything I like to run, which is about everything cept mud..... including highway at highway speeds.... I don't carry a spare anymore with the confidence my PBRR's have given me the last 3+ years.

I have 2 50% off 37" versions coming to go with my other 2 new ones in the garage.....

Anyone running the Nitto TG's on snow? how about the TG sticky? Others?
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What size rim are you running? I remember sidewall issues with the 17" rim version???? I know snow is generally not too tough on sidewalls.....

I have PBRR's in the 37" flavor and they work great in about 30" of fresh......

I am lurking for a 40 that works as well as my PBRR's on everything I like to run, which is about everything cept mud..... including highway at highway speeds.... I don't carry a spare anymore with the confidence my PBRR's have given me the last 3+ years.

I have 2 50% off 37" versions coming to go with my other 2 new ones in the garage.....

Anyone running the Nitto TG's on snow? how about the TG sticky? Others?


You should really give the pro comp XMTll's a look, they are a pretty damn good tire in all aspects.

Hijack over, wish I had a new set of 38" nitto MG's
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What size rim are you running? I remember sidewall issues with the 17" rim version???? I know snow is generally not too tough on sidewalls.....

I have PBRR's in the 37" flavor and they work great in about 30" of fresh......

I am lurking for a 40 that works as well as my PBRR's on everything I like to run, which is about everything cept mud..... including highway at highway speeds.... I don't carry a spare anymore with the confidence my PBRR's have given me the last 3+ years.

I have 2 50% off 37" versions coming to go with my other 2 new ones in the garage.....

Anyone running the Nitto TG's on snow? how about the TG sticky? Others?
17" wheel, I would expect the radials to have a little weaker sidewall than the bias tires, but they should also bag better. I'm trying to run only one set of tires, we'll see. I bought a spare just because I would have been pissed if I had to buy one at retail.
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I went out in the snow with a guy with a set. Snow was great everyone was going Everywhere. He had nitto trail grapplers stretched like a rubber band on some bro wheels not aired down. So not a good comparison. Still looking for input.
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My brother has some 37" trails on his early bronco and they have bin great all around the snow wasent deep last winter but they bag out good and have a great all around traction. I just wish they made them in a wider 37 or 40" tire.
My muds are over 15 " wide on a 16x10" wheel so they float better.
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You should really give the pro comp XMTll's a look, they are a pretty damn good tire in all aspects.

Hijack over, wish I had a new set of 38" nitto MG's
I've read good things about the XMTII's and they are at the top of my potential 4D tire list.... I am curious how the new Cooper is gonna work out too.

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17" wheel, I would expect the radials to have a little weaker sidewall than the bias tires, but they should also bag better. I'm trying to run only one set of tires, we'll see. I bought a spare just because I would have been pissed if I had to buy one at retail.
Completely understand..... I ran 2 sets when I lived in Washington but it gets real old when you have the wrong set on for the occasion..... I like a rig and a tire that can do it all..... Well most of it.

My PBRR's work great every where I have run them..... AZ rocks, Red rocks of Moab and Sand Hollow, Sand at SH and up to 3' of snow here in AZ...... Looks like some weather comin this weekend and a possible white Christmas so I ma get to test them out again soon......

Anyone try the new Coopers or Pro Comp XMTII in the deep stuff yet?
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Last snow trip a guy was in a completely stock 4 cylinder Toyota with 32" sst pro's. He aired them down to 10 lbs seemed to squat pretty good even with the small sidewall. Tread seems sit and plyable I'm not sure how long term street use would affect these. But he was following everyone with 40" tires if we broke trail. He was also running open diffs. Just for reference this was some of the "easiest" snow I had run in a while you could crawl it or power through it. Packed really well.
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