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Old 04-20-2014, 11:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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do any of you know if the nitto mud grappler tires work good for snow wheeling. my rig is DD so I will sell my 39.5 iroks on allied beadlocks. I wanted geolander m/t plus but cannot find them anywhere. tire shops have no idea when. go figure. so I thought I would try the nitto mg
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Old 04-21-2014, 09:34 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I got some this year thinking they would be fun in snow but we never really got snow to test them out. But after wheeling them on the rocks a little I think a better choice would be the trail T/A. The muds slide off side hills like a bogger.
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I wheeled with a guy once with them and they sucked. I would do the Trail Grappler maybe open the grooves a little more and sipe the shit out of it.
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Old 04-24-2014, 09:33 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I agree that the Trail Grappler would be a better option.
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With some cutting and siping, the mud grappler can hang with the best of them. I've been running them for 3 seasons now and will be buying another set.

Without cutting and siping, they dug a little too much in the deep stuff, spun bad on ice, and lacked lateral traction. After those issues were solved, can't really ask for more out of them.... besides a little quieter on the road and maybe 42" & 44" sizes.

They lay out nicely (lay damn near flat @ 5psi) and very durable sidewall and tread (1/2 tread @ 20k). Anyways, here's a few pics.......


How I cut/siped them.....


Sitting on top a 39.5 Irok bias.... Irok's @ 2 psi, MG's @ 5psi
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Old 04-24-2014, 02:13 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I like the grooves I think I will do mine like that
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Old 04-24-2014, 04:51 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Very nice!
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Old 05-07-2014, 08:21 PM   #8 (permalink)
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i know ya asked nitto. but i just got the good year mtr in a 40 . had them as 35 before and they worked well in snow. if you can afford a nitto mud grappler then i would venture to bet the mtr is in your price range .
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I used my 37" mtrs in snow for the first time a few weeks ago...fackin sucked! The 35" mtrs were way better ! Maybe I'll go super low psi.
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Old 11-29-2014, 10:22 PM   #10 (permalink)
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How are nitto trail grapplers in big snow?
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Old 03-07-2015, 01:07 PM   #11 (permalink)
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about this good with out the sipe work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E46LC3jffg
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like this with out the sipe work haha.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E46LC3jffg
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Old 03-08-2015, 09:33 PM   #13 (permalink)
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^ those are mud grapplers how are trail grapplers in the white stuff?
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^ those are mud grapplers how are trail grapplers in the white stuff?
Slightly better than the Mud Grapplers simply because of the tighter tread block design. I had them in a 37" set on an S10 and they were much better than my old set of Military H1's. However, if you're after snow traction I haven't found a better tire than the BFG AT.
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Bumping this. Wanting to hear opinions on trail grapplers this year in the snow. How they squat when aired down. Rig weight etc.
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A lot of it has to do with weight rating. The thing the mud grapplers have going for them is that the 38s for a 15" wheel are c rated. I actually have a set in the shed, I've only ran them on 2 short trips late last spring, so I couldn't really test floatation. They do flatten out pretty decent at 3 lbs though on my ~4k lb 4runner.

Same reason someone said the 37 mtr/k's were worse than the 35s. 37s are d rated, 35s are c (assuming 15" wheel) my 35 mtrs were killer in the snow, made a lot of people on 37-44s scratch thier head

I think most of the nitto trail grapplers are d rated or better. Not saying they won't do well, but the c rated sidewall is definitely the way to go for floatation.

Edit: the trail grapplers are d rated in the 37 and C rated in the 40

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but the c rated sidewall is definitely the way to go for floatation.
X2, I wouldn't run anything but a C load range tire in the snow
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X2, I wouldn't run anything but a C load range tire in the snow
That is becoming tougher with industry trends. A lot of 37" tires for 17" wheels come in a D minimum for larger trucks. I was surprised that the 41.5 pbr was D rated
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That is becoming tougher with industry trends. A lot of 37" tires for 17" wheels come in a D minimum for larger trucks. I was surprised that the 41.5 pbr was D rated



I wheeled with a guy yesterday, he had some oddball brand of tires, but they had the exact same tread as the old BFG all terrains, had the shit siped out of em, metric size, but about 35" tall .

These things were D rated, flattened out like a balloon, and he could out wheel us all in the snow .


Do they still make those BF all terrains ? Because I haven't seen them in a while, and with this oddball tire having identical tread I assume they sold that design ?

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I wheeled with a guy yesterday, he had some oddball brand of tires, but they had the exact same tread as the old BFG all terrains, had the shit siped out of em, metric size, but about 35" tall .

These things were D rated, flattened out like a balloon, and he could out wheel us all in the snow .


Do they still make those BF all terrains ? Because I haven't seen them in a while, and with this oddball tire having identical tread I assume they sold that design ?

Where have you been? I see the older ko's and new ko2's every where.

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I have them on my F350, they feel very soft and have a ton of siping. I could see how they would do well in certain snow conditions.
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Where have you been? I see the older ko's and new ko2's every where.

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I have them on my F350, they feel very soft and have a ton of siping. I could see how they would do well in certain snow conditions.



The tires on this guys rig were not BF's .


And yes, I know old ones are around unfortunately, the last set I ran 3 out of four of them split from the rim to the tread, one blew out driving down the highway, absolute junk, I would never run those on anything i own again .

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That is becoming tougher with industry trends. A lot of 37" tires for 17" wheels come in a D minimum for larger trucks. I was surprised that the 41.5 pbr was D rated
100% agree. Looking at 37's for 17's seems most are D rated if not E, I have noticed the max load number vary a little most are 3500ish. A C is somewhere like 2900-3100lbs. With going to 17's it seems the tire selection narrows quick and still keep a streetable tire that won't melt off driving it to the wheeling areas. I'm thinking Deegan 38's in a 37-12.50x17 or ProComps MT2 or Nitto TG all seem to be close in tread pattern all D rated.
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The tires on this guys rig were not BF's .


And yes, I know old ones are around unfortunately, the last set I ran 3 out of four of them split from the rim to the tread, one blew out driving down the highway, absolute junk, I would never run those on anything i own again .

How old were they at that point?
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100% agree. Looking at 37's for 17's seems most are D rated if not E, I have noticed the max load number vary a little most are 3500ish. A C is somewhere like 2900-3100lbs. With going to 17's it seems the tire selection narrows quick and still keep a streetable tire that won't melt off driving it to the wheeling areas. I'm thinking Deegan 38's in a 37-12.50x17 or ProComps MT2 or Nitto TG all seem to be close in tread pattern all D rated.
Don't rule out the 38" geolandar. It was the the only C rated 37-38" tire that I could find for a 17" wheel and it was impressive in the snow. I would not have sold mine, if my jeep was not still down or if the pit bull deal had not happened. I was very happy with them.

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Don't rule out the 38" geolandar. It was the the only C rated 37-38" tire that I could find for a 17" wheel and it was impressive in the snow. I would not have sold mine, if my jeep was not still down or if the pit bull deal had not happened. I was very happy with them.
So what PB tire are you getting? What made you switch to them?
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