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Old 09-25-2014, 01:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Military Takeoffs: BF Goodrich vs. Treadwright

I was looking to pic up a set locally. I have the choice between the BF Goodrich Baja TA Military tire or the Treadwright re-treaded Goodyears. I have searched this forum for the past few days via Google but couldn't get a definitive answer in which people preferred more. I know most say that the real old chevron tread pattern Goodyear Wrangler MT's aren't that great. I'm just looking for a decent 37" tire to run as a backup set of wheels and when it snows/sleets from the end of December until mid March sometimes (I'm tired of my chrome wheels pitting and would rather not run them when the NCDOT puts the salt & sand out). I have a better deal on the BF Goodrich tires than I do on the Treadwright tires but want to get the best ride quality and performance between the two (I don't mind some noise, I've ran all the Mickey Thompsons and all the NITTO's as well). I will be running whichever set I purchase on the steel 16.5" Pro Comp 52 series rock crawler wheels but I prefer to pickup the set of tires that will produce a smoother ride and have decent traction both on and offroad. These won't be seeing any rock crawling or much mud, just sleet/snow and sand occasionally if I take them out to the beach. Not looking to run beadlocks either as this is a newer vehicle. The truck they'll be on is a '12 Chevy 1500 4wd with 9" of lift, a tuned 5.3L and 4.10 gears. As stated earlier, I have probably read a dozen or more threads this week on here and other websites about people's perspectives on Military Takeoffs in general. But nobody has put the two tires I named specially head to head in a comparison so I am curious to see what those with experience have to say about them. Thanks in advance for reading my newbie question and intro more or less!

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Old 09-26-2014, 08:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
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the chevron pattern mtr will be fine just get them siped. i been running the mtr for a good decade now . i ran the old style mtrs. i have the new style mtr on my rig. like emm both both do great in the snow.
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Old 09-27-2014, 09:51 AM   #3 (permalink)
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the chevron pattern mtr will be fine just get them siped. i been running the mtr for a good decade now . i ran the old style mtrs. i have the new style mtr on my rig. like emm both both do great in the snow.
Hey man I really do appreciate the input. I actually just picked up this morning 5 of the BF Goodrich military tires brand spanking new for a damn crazy good deal (local surplus here is family to me). I may end up trying to sipe the tires with a grooving tool similar to what TWF does just to help with the wet performance potentially. The BFG's came in a load range D and E. I just decided to go with the the load range D tires since they all were brand new and I wanted the better ride quality and I just won't tow as heavy. I currently run 325/55R22 (35x13.5) Nitto Trail Grapplers (load range E) during the summer when weather is good but every set of load range E tires I've ever bought rode rougher and I was particularly worried about that with these military Takeoffs. But I'd like these tires for running during the winter when the salt is out on the roads to save my chrome wheels (discontinued chrome 22x14 XD Diesels) or on the sand on the beach campground/parks here in NC. Yes, before the people point it out I know that it's a street queen/mall crawler truck with the 22's that is practically brand new still but I usually prefer to run them when the weather is favorable. However I've always run 37" Nitto Mud Grapplers or Mickey Thompson ATZ's on 18's when the fall/winter hits. But here lately those brands of tires have just gotten ridiculously expensive
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Hey man I really do appreciate the input. I actually just picked up this morning 5 of the BF Goodrich military tires brand spanking new for a damn crazy good deal (local surplus here is family to me). I may end up trying to sipe the tires with a grooving tool similar to what TWF does just to help with the wet performance potentially. The BFG's came in a load range D and E. I just decided to go with the the load range D tires since they all were brand new and I wanted the better ride quality and I just won't tow as heavy. I currently run 325/55R22 (35x13.5) Nitto Trail Grapplers (load range E) during the summer when weather is good but every set of load range E tires I've ever bought rode rougher and I was particularly worried about that with these military Takeoffs. But I'd like these tires for running during the winter when the salt is out on the roads to save my chrome wheels (discontinued chrome 22x14 XD Diesels) or on the sand on the beach campground/parks here in NC. Yes, before the people point it out I know that it's a street queen/mall crawler truck with the 22's that is practically brand new still but I usually prefer to run them when the weather is favorable. However I've always run 37" Nitto Mud Grapplers or Mickey Thompson ATZ's on 18's when the fall/winter hits. But here lately those brands of tires have just gotten ridiculously expensive

For the sipe work literlay just take a hot razor blaze and run it acrossed every quarter inche . Take ya a day . If you use a groover and remove material. They are realy tuff to balance.

What you pay for a set. I could use a set of summer rubbers
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For the sipe work literlay just take a hot razor blaze and run it acrossed every quarter inche . Take ya a day . If you use a groover and remove material. They are realy tuff to balance.

What you pay for a set. I could use a set of summer rubbers
I may sipe them after driving them in the rain for the first time just to see what the wet performance feels like. They shouldn't be any tougher to balance than my 22x14's and 325/55R22 Trail Grapplers. They've taken multiple trips to various shops to try to balance. Was finally able to do so. Road Force wasn't even able to get them straight
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I did have one more question to ask of anybody who might could answer... I DO NOT plan to air down these tires since they will be driven almost completely on the street. That being said, can I run the 16.5" Pro Comp series 52 Steel wheels just fine on these tires at 40+psi with no worries? I kept reading something about these 37" BF Goodrich Takeoffs don't have "safety beads" on the tires? Yet the beads of the tires feel and appear to be just as rigid as my Nitto Trail Grapplers which are run on regular wheels (not bead locks). I don't have on board air (not yet at least but do need it for work) and don't ever plan to air these down that much unless I'm just flat stuck/spinning out on the sand. And I doubt that would be much air down since the truck is a crew cab with a full toolbox and probably weighs at least 6700lbs so I'm assuming at that weight these tires will flex a little
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Why not mount them on takeoff HMMWV wheels and utilize the double beadlock. Look at the bead area of the tire and compare it to something not in 16.5. Less bead surface area to grip rim , so at low pressures it is more likely to burp air or pop off.
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Old 09-29-2014, 11:43 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I did have one more question to ask of anybody who might could answer... I DO NOT plan to air down these tires since they will be driven almost completely on the street. That being said, can I run the 16.5" Pro Comp series 52 Steel wheels just fine on these tires at 40+psi with no worries? I kept reading something about these 37" BF Goodrich Takeoffs don't have "safety beads" on the tires? Yet the beads of the tires feel and appear to be just as rigid as my Nitto Trail Grapplers which are run on regular wheels (not bead locks). I don't have on board air (not yet at least but do need it for work) and don't ever plan to air these down that much unless I'm just flat stuck/spinning out on the sand. And I doubt that would be much air down since the truck is a crew cab with a full toolbox and probably weighs at least 6700lbs so I'm assuming at that weight these tires will flex a little
My experiences with them are : if they are old dont air down the side walls split right open. If you dont have emm on bead locks dont air them down past 20 psi. Others claim lower pressure but id not chance it unless you have a spare too see how low you can personally get them.

But as you say 40 psi on road on steelies your good. Some 16.5 wheels dont have a safty bead. My rover 16.5s did. My gmc 16.5s didnt . Just depends on the manufacturer I think.
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Why not mount them on takeoff HMMWV wheels and utilize the double beadlock. Look at the bead area of the tire and compare it to something not in 16.5. Less bead surface area to grip rim , so at low pressures it is more likely to burp air or pop off.
I'd seriously love to have a set of recentered, 12 stud H1 wheels not just for the function but the aesthetics to them (their function makes them aesthetically pleasing to me). But at a minimum they'll cost $800 for a set that is unfinished from TWF, not to mention the shipping on those steel wheels that'll weigh 40lbs a piece I'm sure. Then I'll have to powdercoat them, paint them or bed line them. Unless Andy or Todd at TWF want to start sponsoring street queens for only for winter and beach sand setups lol I'm not looking to spend $1k just on some beater wheels. I picked up the 16.5" steel 52 series Pro Comp wheels from a friend of mine this afternoon for his cost at $250 for the set. I've effectively spent just a few bucks over what just one of my chrome 22x14 XD Diesels retailed to most for back when they were new. Not trying to be a smartass because I love the look of TWF's wheels but I'm looking to stay as cheap as possible on this setup. Maybe down the road I might pick a set up if I have money to blow but I'm sure I'll be replacing the front hubs and rear axle bearings down the road with those 22x14's and stretched 35's or front IFS parts so i'ma wait it out to see. If I trusted my skill at welding and the beads I welded didn't look like chicken shit then I'd try to recenter them myself lol with either the TWF center kit or the Rogue Fab kit. But I'll keep my sloppy welds to things that don't get scrutinized for aesthetics. And I pay the local machine shop enough as it is to constantly re-man parts for our construction equipment so I don't feel like spending the extra money there either even if it did cut down on a few hundred bucks

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My experiences with them are : if they are old dont air down the side walls split right open. If you dont have emm on bead locks dont air them down past 20 psi. Others claim lower pressure but id not chance it unless you have a spare too see how low you can personally get them.

But as you say 40 psi on road on steelies your good. Some 16.5 wheels dont have a safty bead. My rover 16.5s did. My gmc 16.5s didnt . Just depends on the manufacturer I think.
I would assume Pro Comp wouldn't purposefully sell the 16.5" steel 52 series wheels that aren't meant to be street driven without safety beads or are themselves bead locks. Hell I hope not, I'll find out by Friday of this week if so. But I have seen on the JK forum and elsewhere where the guys are running the exact same setup as what I'm describing on DD jeeps so hopefully I'm good

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So how did the military BFGs do?
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Old 09-05-2015, 06:48 AM   #11 (permalink)
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BFG take offs

I have a set on my '71 F250 Fummins. I love them. They grip way better than the ol MT Goodyears ever dreamed of. I don't think they will last as long though as they seem softer/stickier.
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