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Old 12-20-2015, 08:20 AM   #51 (permalink)
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I think siping a tire helps make the tire work better and keeps it working better as the tire wears down.
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Old 12-25-2015, 09:28 PM   #52 (permalink)
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I've been very impressed with the STS series of tires. I've even ran a set of 29" STS's that kicked ass in the snow. This year, if we ever get snow, I'll be running a set of 44" STS's. 38's have proven very good for the 3-4k weight range.
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I've been very impressed with the STS series of tires. I've even ran a set of 29" STS's that kicked ass in the snow. This year, if we ever get snow, I'll be running a set of 44" STS's. 38's have proven very good for the 3-4k weight range.
Have you ran both the radials and bias plys?
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I just got a set of the 38" yokohama's. I'm hoping to try them out next week. At a glance they are a little taller and a little wider than the 97% 37" mtr that I have, looks like they run true to size. I'm excited about the C rated sidewalls.
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I just got a set of the 38" yokohama's. I'm hoping to try them out next week. At a glance they are a little taller and a little wider than the 97% 37" mtr that I have, looks like they run true to size. I'm excited about the C rated sidewalls.
badass!!!! I am excited to see some first hand experience. you going to break them in at all? where did you buy them?
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I'll see how they bag out first, on larger bias tires I've run them flat for a while to soften them up. I ruined a 37" km2 by letting it get too low for just over a mile, so now I'm gun shy. I bought them from tire rack and have nothing but good things to say. I ordered them the night of the 21st and had them before 10:00 am on the 24th. I'm going to order a 5th next week.


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I really like that size, I wish they didn't have such a bad rep for weak sidewalls in the rocks. I really don't want 2 sets of tires.

I keep looking at the 38 mud grappler, mainly for the 15" wheel......
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Old 12-28-2015, 02:17 PM   #58 (permalink)
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Your gonna love the new tires in the snow after the sidewalls break down. Here's my experience with directional tires in the snow. I used to run Mickey Thompson Baja Claws with Side Biters, 39.5x15.5x15, on my flat fender, it looked like a Tonka toy. I had the best of luck turning the front tires backwards to rise up on the snow instead of cutting through it and still running the rear tires in a forward direction. The reverse direction is for pulling the snow underneath and lifting the front end up versus cutting through the snow. I want some action pictures from this weekend, thanks.
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Your gonna love the new tires in the snow after the sidewalls break down. Here's my experience with directional tires in the snow. I used to run Mickey Thompson Baja Claws with Side Biters, 39.5x15.5x15, on my flat fender, it looked like a Tonka toy. I had the best of luck turning the front tires backwards to rise up on the snow instead of cutting through it and still running the rear tires in a forward direction. The reverse direction is for pulling the snow underneath and lifting the front end up versus cutting through the snow. I want some action pictures from this weekend, thanks.
How much did you experiment with the directional thing?

I was kinda thinking the same thing, all 4 reversed might be the best, but could make it very hard to back up when forward progress stops. I'm guessing that's why you run the rears forward.

Only experience I have was riding with my buddy who had 33" Baja class . We had them reversed I remember getting stuck in like 1' of slush. He was trying to throttle through it and forward progress stopped. I was shocked at how much snow it roosted when he hit reverse. Not sure how that translates to floatation though

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Old 12-28-2015, 06:55 PM   #60 (permalink)
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Anxious to hear your impressions on the Yoko's. It's been a few years, but a buddy had 35's on his 40 and cut a sidewall in a few inches of snow. His dad had just gone through the same spot in his AWD Astro van car tires. I know it only takes mm's between cutting a tire or not, but I was not impressed with the sidewalls. Hope you have better luck.

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Your gonna love the new tires in the snow after the sidewalls break down. Here's my experience with directional tires in the snow. I used to run Mickey Thompson Baja Claws with Side Biters, 39.5x15.5x15, on my flat fender, it looked like a Tonka toy. I had the best of luck turning the front tires backwards to rise up on the snow instead of cutting through it and still running the rear tires in a forward direction. The reverse direction is for pulling the snow underneath and lifting the front end up versus cutting through the snow. I want some action pictures from this weekend, thanks.
I've found the same result, and also put my fronts on backwards. The added pulling/shoveling action up front is noticeable, especially when climbing hills.
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YotaAtieToo, The Mickey Thompsons were only used for snow. One year I just tried reversing the tread on the front after BS'n with some friends about the purpose of directional tires, (to push mud out and cut down to hard pack), well the opposite is pull the snow in and ride up on it. So I gave it a try one day, I feel it worked. When I would start dropping in I would stop, back up the length of my wheel base, put it in low range and then crawl up on the snow. As long as I crawled I kept moving, a little speed and it would want to start to drop in again. Something else the Mickey Thompsons with side biters had was 1-1/2" lugs, if I went the right speed the front tires would throw snowballs up about 3' in the air. My friends said it looked pretty cool. I keep the rear forward direction, ya gotta be able to back out of trouble. If you have bead locks just turn em' around and try it for shits and grins.
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Intersting, i'm up to try it.... if i'm thinking right, a simple tire rotation (swap sides with the front two) will have all facing the "correct" way again?
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Intersting, i'm up to try it.... if i'm thinking right, a simple tire rotation (swap sides with the front two) will have all facing the "correct" way again?
Yep, you got er.
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Anxious to hear your impressions on the Yoko's. It's been a few years, but a buddy had 35's on his 40 and cut a sidewall in a few inches of snow. His dad had just gone through the same spot in his AWD Astro van car tires. I know it only takes mm's between cutting a tire or not, but I was not impressed with the sidewalls. Hope you have better luck.

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As YotaAtieToo knows, this was my largest debate with buying these. I'm ordering a 5th just for this reason and may sell them if and depending on how I cut one. I made it over 12 years without cutting a tire (not talking about superficial non-leaking cuts), then cut two kevlar's in two trips. I bumped up to 12 psi in the rocks and have had zero problems since. The same was true with another friend and 40" Kevlar's. You can't always fault a tire for cuts.
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I'll see how they bag out first, on larger bias tires I've run them flat for a while to soften them up. I ruined a 37" km2 by letting it get too low for just over a mile, so now I'm gun shy. I bought them from tire rack and have nothing but good things to say. I ordered them the night of the 21st and had them before 10:00 am on the 24th. I'm going to order a 5th next week.

compared to mtr they "look" like they are going to do awesome, lots of biting edges. when it comes to the sidewalls, I would just throw a little air in them before mobbin back down to the pavement. most tires I've seen cut sidewalls is when guys air them down in the 1-3lb range in not enough snow
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I keep looking at the 38 mud grappler, mainly for the 15" wheel......
Wilson is the guinea pig for the yokohama's, you can be the guinea pig for the grapplers

I really think they would be awesome on a 15x12 wheel
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I have the mud grappler in this size
Lt385/70R16 D tall37.72 wide15.35
And going up to the snow in a couple days so I will report back.
I will tell you I'm impressed with them on the rocks and the side walls have proven strong to say the least, plus they flex great with out bead locks, I air down to 10 on the trail and not sure I would go more with bead locks. The only complaint is the side hill traction was bad on wet rocks compared to the trail grapplers. If they don't impress in the snow I will groove them.
They are on a heavy 71 bronco also

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I have the mud grappler in this size
Lt385/70R16 D tall37.72 wide15.35
And going up to the snow in a couple days so I will report back.
I will tell you I'm impressed with them on the rocks and the side walls have proven strong to say the least, plus they flex great with out bead locks, I air down to 10 on the trail and not sure I would go more with bead locks. The only complaint is the side hill traction was bad on wet rocks compared to the trail grapplers. If they don't impress in the snow I will groove them.
They are on a heavy 71 bronco also
D and E load range tires are completely different than C load range tires in the snow. Not to mention the extra side wall a 15" wheel provides compared to a 16" or 17" wheel with tire staying the same size
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Wilson is the guinea pig for the yokohama's, you can be the guinea pig for the grapplers

I really think they would be awesome on a 15x12 wheel
Toyota John swore by the yoko's.... but also swore that dual skinny tires on all four corners was better than one larger/fatter tire.

I ran the 38/15.50/16 mud grapplers for three seasons and loved them besides all the road noise.... but they're no irok, even after an aggressive grooving/siping. The sidewalls are very stiff (load range D in that size) and took a good while to break in, even with the heavy pig I'm wheeling.

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Mine are broke in, side wall flex isent a problem and the d rating isent noticeable on these but the tread is the only thing I'm suspicious about. But if you already know how they will do I won't report back.
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Mine are broke in, side wall flex isent a problem and the d rating isent noticeable on these but the tread is the only thing I'm suspicious about. But if you already know how they will do I won't report back.
By all means please do. I specifically wanted to get into a C range tire. My jeep is not an ultra light, but at just over 4K it doesn't work a heavy tire as well as a heavy rig does.

A few guys ran the 47 ltb's a few years back. I borrowed a 4200 lb rig with them and was regularly getting passed by a ho hum Toyota on old school 35" mtr's. The guy with an 8000 lb bronco loved them.
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compared to mtr they "look" like they are going to do awesome, lots of biting edges. when it comes to the sidewalls, I would just throw a little air in them before mobbin back down to the pavement. most tires I've seen cut sidewalls is when guys air them down in the 1-3lb range in not enough snow
Pinch flats will kill any tire, koh has proven that. The km2 that I killed actually rubbed itself away on the inside. I could not get the tire to balance out. I thought that it was my bead locks, so I bought new ones. When I dismounted the tire, 4 hand fulls of rubber fines came out and there were a dozen bald patches inside the carcass that had rubbed to the cords. The tire was run at 2 lbs in 3+ feet of snow for maybe 2 miles, in my 6000+ pound fzj80.
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The only part I'm not sold on the mud grappler is the tread pattern. They look like they were designed for a brodozer. Having driven a truck with some 35 MG's, the noise is also ridiculous.

However, I'm keeping my eye out for a used set. I'm tempted to just go to some 39.5 iroks, I'm just afraid of how much work I'll have to do to get them to fit.
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dual skinny tires on all four corners was better than one larger/fatter tire.
of course it is, you run one tire at 30 psi for the ice and the other tire at 1 psi for flotation in the powder
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