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Old 03-28-2018, 11:36 AM   #76 (permalink)
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Well, I did a little tire comparison this morning. Between Irok vs. TSL:

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Not much to say...Irok wins hands down!

Just a couple observations:
Pushing on the tires side to side at 1 psi, the Irok's moved approx. 3" on the wheel, the TSL's moved approx. 1"...stiffer side to side

Next, the visible track in the snow is different, the TSL's have one continuous mound in the center, where the tread crowns up. The Irok's have small round mounds approx. 1-1/2" high, 4" around, approx. 12" apart.

I see it as the TSL's are just spinning and the Irok's are grabbing cups full of snow. I assume the TSL's are wadding up on the sidewall, the Irok's wad up on the bottom providing traction.

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I have lost the bead on the Irok's at 1 psi about 6 times total over the last two years. This year on the TSL's they have burped air down to zero 3-4 times and not lost the bead at all.
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Old 03-28-2018, 12:27 PM   #78 (permalink)
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Well, I did a little tire comparison this morning. Between Irok vs. TSL:

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Not much to say...Irok wins hands down!

Just a couple observations:
Pushing on the tires side to side at 1 psi, the Irok's moved approx. 3" on the wheel, the TSL's moved approx. 1"...stiffer side to side

Next, the visible track in the snow is different, the TSL's have one continuous mound in the center, where the tread crowns up. The Irok's have small round mounds approx. 1-1/2" high, 4" around, approx. 12" apart.

I see it as the TSL's are just spinning and the Irok's are grabbing cups full of snow. I assume the TSL's are wadding up on the sidewall, the Irok's wad up on the bottom providing traction.

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I have lost the bead on the Irok's at 1 psi about 6 times total over the last two years. This year on the TSL's they have burped air down to zero 3-4 times and not lost the bead at all.
Put 3m window weld on the inner bead. Never will lose bead. The tsl is stiffer hence less side to side. We have talked lots of times up on the trail about tires and pressure. To me and everything i have seen a large radial is supreme. Bias with lots of grooving and totally breaking down the tire before trail use are good also. See you next weekend tim.

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Awesome tech. And I have seen the “cupping” of the snow following guys with iroks.
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I dont think so. The mtr 42 is a very big tire i bet its close to the 44 sts as the mtr is bigger than a 43 sx side by side. In the snow were me and tim wheel at off highway 50 near kirkwood a longer tire works better than a wide tire. With the exception of sugar snow then its widest with most hp goes farther. A longer tire acts more like a track then a wider tire. Tims rig for instance. The longer radial way out performs the wider tire tsl all day everyday so that wider theory on the op rig would be false.

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I've had both the 44s are bigger. I will try and get a picture posted of them side-by-side
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From my experience, 42” and under you want radials. Everything bigger, except for maybe 44” TSL, 44” bogger, and 47” LTB, will do better just due to pure size.

Ask shrek tits which tire does better in the snow, he’s ran both 42” mtrk and now runs 44” STS......
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I've had both the 44s are bigger. I will try and get a picture posted of them side-by-side
Here you go brandon
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From my experience, 42” and under you want radials. Everything bigger, except for maybe 44” TSL, 44” bogger, and 47” LTB, will do better just due to pure size.

Ask shrek tits which tire does better in the snow, he’s ran both 42” mtrk and now runs 44” STS......
In my experience 44 tsls are closer to a 40 than a 42, so I can see where they could be outdone by a 42 radial.

I still stand by the tires with more aggressive tread doing better down here. The "at" tires like the STS and cepecks can float well, but when you have to go up a hill or climb out of a creek. They struggle, like bad. I had problems climbing out of creek crossings where a few guys with 33s didn't. Pretty embarrassing. This is probably why you never see them down here. I have seen 2 guys with 44 STS and 2 guys with 44 cepecks.
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In my experience 44 tsls are closer to a 40 than a 42, so I can see where they could be outdone by a 42 radial.

I still stand by the tires with more aggressive tread doing better down here. The "at" tires like the STS and cepecks can float well, but when you have to go up a hill or climb out of a creek. They struggle, like bad. I had problems climbing out of creek crossings where a few guys with 33s didn't. Pretty embarrassing. This is probably why you never see them down here. I have seen 2 guys with 44 STS and 2 guys with 44 cepecks.
Wet snow vs dry snow. Almost need 2 sets of winter tires lol
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Wet snow vs dry snow. Almost need 2 sets of winter tires lol
Which are you saying works best for which?
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Which are you saying works best for which?
If there was a 47 radial or 44 radial or 54 radial. Hands down the radial out perforrms a bias all day. One of these days all the guys on this forum need to get together and see what reaslly works and what does not. Im limited kinda on axle size. I run yota stuff . Im also reaslly easy and not a basher as i think finesse in snow all day except sugar/powder works better. We have sierra cement.lol. were there is so much forward bite sometimes. So i can not run much larger than the 42 mtr. I would like to try a 46 claw

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Here you go brandon
If you took a level do you think there an inch taller

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Nokian Tire company in Finland makes a 46" Radial winter tire for Arctic Truck company. I have not had any luck getting a price or a set to the US. Arctic Trucks does alot of tours in Antarctica and they have the tires made just for their trucks.


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If you took a level do you think there an inch taller

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About 1.5" taller and over 7" wider. That's a new mtr also.
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There sugar snow we have up here will never hold any power.
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Nokian Tire company in Finland makes a 46" Radial winter tire for Arctic Truck company. I have not had any luck getting a price or a set to the US. Arctic Trucks does alot of tours in Antarctica and they have the tires made just for their trucks.


http://arctictrucks.com/news/News-Ar...-create-a.aspx
1049 per tire also only 42.6 i nches tall. Its basicly a 44 cepek with a waaay knarly rubber compound that stays gummey at below freezing temps. If you go on alibaba tire you can buy them for 98 per tire but have to buy 300 at a time.

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There sugar snow we have up here will never hold any power.
I hear ya. Here niether but you can only make it with lots of momentum and wheel speed. I went up to kelowna a few years back thats how there snow was no moisture at all seemed like. Thats why those guys run 800+ hp and 46- 54 inch baja claws

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1049 per tire also only 42.6 i nches tall. Its basicly a 44 cepek with a waaay knarly rubber compound that stays gummey at below freezing temps. If you go on alibaba tire you can buy them for 98 per tire but have to buy 300 at a time.

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Group buy?

I thought they made a 46" version.
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Group buy?

I thought they made a 46" version.
At $98 a tire I'm in.
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At $98 a tire I'm in.
Only need. 299 more

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Well, I did a little tire comparison this morning. Between Irok vs. TSL:

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Not much to say...Irok wins hands down!

Just a couple observations:
Pushing on the tires side to side at 1 psi, the Irok's moved approx. 3" on the wheel, the TSL's moved approx. 1"...stiffer side to side

Next, the visible track in the snow is different, the TSL's have one continuous mound in the center, where the tread crowns up. The Irok's have small round mounds approx. 1-1/2" high, 4" around, approx. 12" apart.

I see it as the TSL's are just spinning and the Irok's are grabbing cups full of snow. I assume the TSL's are wadding up on the sidewall, the Irok's wad up on the bottom providing traction.

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I have lost the bead on the Irok's at 1 psi about 6 times total over the last two years. This year on the TSL's they have burped air down to zero 3-4 times and not lost the bead at all.
This is track of 44” STS that is bias ply. Has the same mounds that you speak of with your radial iroks. Couple wraps of duct tape on inner bead holds just like normal beadlock
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That's about 1psi and several feet of snow. After doing a little grooving the tires really woke up.
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Chevy Joe: With the horizontal thread design I'm surprised you have to groove the STS's at all. I'm thinking anytime you get cupping in the tracks you are getting max traction. It would be a great comparison to have the same tire bias vs. radial.
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