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Old 10-21-2016, 07:37 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Old 10-22-2016, 09:06 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Old 10-22-2016, 09:21 AM   #28 (permalink)
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I still stand by, small, strong and light-IE Toyota. All the technology is great, but at the end of the day for snow, small, light simple works good. I probably said this before, but when I started deep snow crawling we had everything from square body Blazers on 44's, early Bronco's, typical Jeeps. that was say 1990. By the time I moved it was a sea of 79-85 Toyota's with a couple of other rigs. It was like they all went into hiding because they couldn't keep up....just sayin'.

I took a stock CJ, and then put the heavy stuff. Got tired of getting passed and went all Toyota. End of that problem, that and I learned to drive.

My 70 Bronco with 37's, lockers etc. is cool. Wheels ok in the snow, but definitely not as good as a stripped down truck with 38's.
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I still stand by, small, strong and light-IE Toyota. All the technology is great, but at the end of the day for snow, small, light simple works good. I probably said this before, but when I started deep snow crawling we had everything from square body Blazers on 44's, early Bronco's, typical Jeeps. that was say 1990. By the time I moved it was a sea of 79-85 Toyota's with a couple of other rigs. It was like they all went into hiding because they couldn't keep up....just sayin'.

I took a stock CJ, and then put the heavy stuff. Got tired of getting passed and went all Toyota. End of that problem, that and I learned to drive.

My 70 Bronco with 37's, lockers etc. is cool. Wheels ok in the snow, but definitely not as good as a stripped down truck with 38's.
there's not many Toyotas that keep up around here, but the blues how some Toyota snow wheelers that like going fast
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Well I did the bulk of my snow wheeling in the blues.... but that was 20 years ago. I do enjoy my Bronco, and when I need to power through something it is nice to have twice the HP of a tired 20R!

Time marches on and all the RZ/LS etc. stuff is nice for sure.
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Well I did the bulk of my snow wheeling in the blues.... but that was 20 years ago. I do enjoy my Bronco, and when I need to power through something it is nice to have twice the HP of a tired 20R!

Time marches on and all the RZ/LS etc. stuff is nice for sure.
I bet 95% of the blues area snow wheelers drive Toyota pickups
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Old 10-25-2016, 10:20 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I think the reason theres a lot of toyotas is the bang for buck. Thats why i have them.

My truck doesnt have the power to keep up with you guys. At thr point of putting a whole nother drivetrain in id rather have old iron like my willys truck. But that point ill have more money in the motor than my whole toyota
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I think a sidekick/samurai/early jeep sized rig with a 3.8sc aw4 231/300. Homebrew 9/60 and a 39.5 irok would be hard to beat
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I think the reason theres a lot of toyotas is the bang for buck. Thats why i have them.

My truck doesnt have the power to keep up with you guys. At thr point of putting a whole nother drivetrain in id rather have old iron like my willys truck. But that point ill have more money in the motor than my whole toyota
I agree 100%. I barely keep up with my 4banger and that's with the squirrels sitting on the rev limiter 90% of the time

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I think a sidekick/samurai/early jeep sized rig with a 3.8sc aw4 231/300. Homebrew 9/60 and a 39.5 irok would be hard to beat
I think 39.5 iroks are phasing out. there are bigger and better snow tires out there nowadays.

I want to build a samurai again some day. completely gut it besides the essentials, LPG turbo 1.6L, stock trans, 6.5:1 tcase, 5.12 geared sami axles with chromos and 35" BFG KO2's on aluminum beadlocks. Light and powerful ()
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Yes there are bigger/better but that tire and size has been working good for me and is easy on components
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Old 10-31-2016, 12:04 PM   #36 (permalink)
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This is interesting as I'm having this debate personally. Money no object id have my cj6 rebuilt, new frame and tub ford v8 atlas 4 tcase and a pair of 9" diffs on 40" radials. But my budget is very tight and want to stay small and light with decent power. 37's and well under 4000 pounds closer to 3k would be better. Suzuki stuff seems a little under powered and but I don't have any experience with them. Would a stripped down manual trans v6 vitara with sami case or dual cases and yota axles hold up ?
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Old 10-31-2016, 04:01 PM   #37 (permalink)
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No budget? 66-77 Bronco. Something similar to this..
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Would a stripped down manual trans v6 vitara with sami case or dual cases and yota axles hold up ?
I would go with the 2.0L/5 speed 2WD vitara/tracker. swap in sami case, yota axles, and have some fun. it will definitely hold up, just make sure the sami tcase has a snatch around it

they did not make a v6 vitara/tracker with a 5 speed, they were all auto
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Old 11-01-2016, 12:52 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Would a stripped down manual trans v6 vitara with sami case or dual cases and yota axles hold up ?
I would go with the 2.0L/5 speed 2WD vitara/tracker. swap in sami case, yota axles, and have some fun. it will definitely hold up, just make sure the sami tcase has a snatch around it

they did not make a v6 vitara/tracker with a 5 speed, they were all auto

They are not popular but there are a few around. Quick search one province over and onf popped up. Hopefully the link works.

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/r...utm_source=sms
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Old 11-01-2016, 01:55 PM   #40 (permalink)
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They are not popular but there are a few around. Quick search one province over and onf popped up. Hopefully the link works.

2002 Suzuki grand Vitara | used cars & trucks | Red Deer | Kijiji
They may in Canada but I have never seen one here in the states

I would still go with a 2 door 4 banger 2wd, you could always drop a 2.3L aerio motor in down the road for more power
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Old 11-01-2016, 05:26 PM   #41 (permalink)
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That's fair. I've owned a 4 door 2L for a moment and seemed decent evough on power. Still think I'd start with a 4dr just for wheelbase and interior room but I'd prob sacrifice the rear doors function and weld what little would be left after the rear is tubbed out for tires.
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Old 11-07-2016, 06:53 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Agreed we get that snow here too, but seeing a 4x4 weighing only 4,500Lbs. producing 650+Ft. Lbs., [torque not horsepower is the name of the game which does translate to your low gearing thinking as it's just another way to produce torque] on a 46" custom cut Mickey T Claw/49" Irok or 54" custom cut Bogger [at only a 1/4psi. air pressure via bead-locks. And with four wheel steering along with the very important ability to lower/lift any corner of the vehicle 1' or more via a custom computer programmable light weight alloy suspension system with Gamma Goat IFS/IRS susp./axle systems which go a long way towards helping these large 4x4's fit down small snow covered Jeep trails, all while offering better clearance, weight distribution/balance and driver visibility.
Most run] with a manual transmission [doesn't overheat like automatics do, are more reliable and more challenging/funner to drive and a big, big block V8 generally 500-600+ cubes] in the snow.
All that combined [with a driver pushing 30-40+ years experience most of that time in snow as some have only run a 44"+ tire since the early 80's] will make for an incredible snow capable vehicle.

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there is certain sugar snow that not even huge tires and horsepower can overcome.
Regarding the different snow wheeling areas please don't forget since many of us drive our vehicles daily we go everywhere for wheeling including all over North America.
Lots of local guys have/do wheel in California, Utah, Washington and the Oregon states, plus anywhere else a good trail is being run snow or no snow... (We've had guys head to California on 44" Boggers to wheel, no trailer).

It's not a big deal for some of us to drive twenty plus hours each way to go wheeling for a few good days of good USA trails is all I'm saying.

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Agreed we get that snow here too, but you've likely never seen a 4x4 weighing 4,500Lb. producing 650+Ft. Lbs. on a 46" custom cut Mickey T Claw/49" cut Irok/54" custom cut Bogger with a manual transmission in the snow with a driver with 30+ years experience.
All that combined will make for an incredible snow capable vehicle...



Regarding the different snow wheeling areas please don't forget since many of us drive our vehicles daily we go everywhere for wheeling including all over North America.
Lots of local guys have/do wheel in California, Utah, Washington and the Oregon states, plus anywhere else a good trail is being run snow or no snow... (We've had guys head to California on 44" Boggers to wheel, no trailer).

It's not a big deal for some of us to drive twenty plus hours each way to go wheeling for a few good days of good USA trails is all I'm saying.

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yep, know a few guys from Canada. they like their horsepower and big tires!
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Best snow rig I've seen was a regular cab ifs Toyota lockers 4" lift cut fenders 39x18 Baja belted Mickey Thompson. Dual cases. That thing crawled right up on top and just floated. Put 35's on to daily drive it.

Unlimited budget crew cab Tacoma ls motor 4speed atlas 42's 609's. Stripper pole. Yes I can dream.

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Old 01-16-2017, 11:43 AM   #47 (permalink)
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All very capable, but imho, the key is tools

plop any dd on a set of these, and you now have a very capable dd and snow rig

Track N Go | Track N Go
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All very capable, but imho, the key is tools

plop any dd on a set of these, and you now have a very capable dd and snow rig

Track N Go | Track N Go
I can't imagine those would do well on any kind of side hill or ditch.
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That,s true, I haven't seen them in that environment..I do know a couple pipeline guys in BC/Yukon, and they swear by them
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Old 02-12-2017, 07:52 PM   #50 (permalink)
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On a budget I would go with a Willys CJ2a Dana 20 front 44 rear, locked V6 and 35s. (What I'm working on now)

Unlimited would be a cj6 stretched to 120, LS, auto, atlas, turning brakes and mog axles with 40s.
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