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Old 04-22-2018, 09:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Snow unlocking hub dial

Anyone else have problems with lockout hub dials getting unlocked due to snow pack turning them? It usually only happens to me a couple times a season when the snow pack starts to melt and the ditches are soft and drag you in. Yesterday I had my passenger side unlock several times and it's time to come up with a solution. My first thought is to try a fernco cap w/hose clamp to cover the dial.... any other ideas?

Drive flanges would be a solution, but I travel on the highway too often. I would also prefer a lockout to be a fuse when snow wheeling.... easier to change on the spot than a shaft, especially when it's below freezing.
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Anyone else have problems with lockout hub dials getting unlocked due to snow pack turning them? It usually only happens to me a couple times a season when the snow pack starts to melt and the ditches are soft and drag you in. Yesterday I had my passenger side unlock several times and it's time to come up with a solution. My first thought is to try a fernco cap w/hose clamp to cover the dial.... any other ideas?

Drive flanges would be a solution, but I travel on the highway too often. I would also prefer a lockout to be a fuse when snow wheeling.... easier to change on the spot than a shaft, especially when it's below freezing.
3" wheel spacers

There was a guy making rock rings for Toyota hubs, that might help.
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You sure it's not your buddies? That sounds like the shit my crew would do.
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I wheel solo majority of the time.... good call though
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I've seen it happen before. Most Toyota guys dont have that problem since they're all running offset wheels, spacers, ifs hubs or a combination of them.
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Take the cap off and see if the shaft is hitting the inside of the dial.
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Take the cap off and see if the shaft is hitting the inside of the dial.
Just had them off, not hitting.

It's almost always the passenger side, which makes sense with forward rotation of the tire vs dial. I've swapped hubs brands/styles without luck.... haven't tried yukons yet.

I'm thinking some sort of cap/cover or even duct tape might do the trick. Wonder if the d60 is more susceptible since the surface area of the dial is double of everything else out there.... more snow contact and leverage.
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Take the cap off and see if the shaft is hitting the inside of the dial.
It’s the shaft hitting. Pull the cap put grease in the cap and I bet you’ll see it’s hitting
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It’s the shaft hitting. Pull the cap put grease in the cap and I bet you’ll see it’s hitting
Why would it matter? The shaft, hub, hub internals and cap are all locked moving together, how would the shaft touching the cap turn the dial when it's all locked together moving the same direction? It might actually help hold it locked by creating some resistance in the dial.

I only have issues with this in specific warm densr snow conditions. Never in rocks, sand, mud or cold powder snow. It's happened over several years, different hubs, and different shafts, always this time of year.
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Why would it matter? The shaft, hub, hub internals and cap are all locked moving together, how would the shaft touching the cap turn the dial when it's all locked together moving the same direction? It might actually help hold it locked by creating some resistance in the dial.

I only have issues with this in specific warm densr snow conditions. Never in rocks, sand, mud or cold powder snow. It's happened over several years, different hubs, and different shafts, always this time of year.
Ok I see your point. I have heard of the passenger side locking when just going down the road.

I think I’d try to come up with a “guard” to go around the hub to see if that stops it. Or just some duct tape before you come up with something more permanent.
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I'm for some reason I thought this was in the Toyota section.

For a 60, just get Yukon Hubs, they're kinda hard to unlock. Impossible with a load on them.
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buddy had it happen a few times on his 60 with warn hubs and always the pass side. once he went with a wider offset rim the hub was farther in and was not an issue anymore. another guy in our group runs rims with less offset so hub is almost flush with the outer rim bead and runs yukon hubs with zero issues.
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I'm for some reason I thought this was in the Toyota section.

For a 60, just get Yukon Hubs, they're kinda hard to unlock. Impossible with a load on them.
This the toyota section, he just simply swapped out all the inferior Toyota parts

And yes the Yukon hubs are are impossible to unlock with a load on them.
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Just had them off, not hitting.
I'm thinking some sort of cap/cover or even duct tape might do the trick.
This worked for me, (duct tape) had same issue awhile back and have since switched to drive flanges. The heavy spring snow would do it.

Edit-for the record the hubs were just regular warns on a D60, Im sure if they were premiums or any other brand it wouldve been a non issue as the plastic hub insert is quite easy to turn on the warns.
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The warn rear full floater kit had locking hubs with set screws to keep them from unlocking ,maybe could do something similar ?

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Old 04-28-2018, 04:59 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I've been running drive flanges on the front of my Jeep with a Detroit locker for roughly 15 years and have never owned a tow rig. Pavement is a non issue.
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I'd rather not run my homemade front driveshaft and longfield spindle bushings at 65 mph every weekend going to the trails. Used duct tape today and it worked like a charm.
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