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Old 07-10-2019, 10:48 PM   #176 (permalink)
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Finally was able to get myself to touch this thing with some help from @904_runner

Like I mentioned before, my plan was to unbolt the motor mount bracket, lift the motor up to desired height, and then weld brackets to the frame. For know I pulled the mount out and flipped the bracket over for mock up.



Stock diff mount off the cover if definitely in the way, so I just unbolted the cover off the mockup diff. We were able to get the diff pretty damn close to where it's needs to be by lifting the motor up about an inch and shifting it to the drivers side about an inch or maybe a little more.

After staring at it for a bit, I think I'm going to have to notch the crossmember to get the diff to sit flat. I'm OK with it being a little lower since it will help cv angle anyway.


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Old 07-10-2019, 11:21 PM   #177 (permalink)
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So are we going to spend all this time modifying it to accept the Toyota ifs diff and then a month later youíre going to decide to just put your Dana 60 in the front? Maybe we should just do that from the get go? Might as well just start ordering parts for that now.

Iíll try to bring over some more beers and help you tomorrow.
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Old 07-11-2019, 08:55 AM   #178 (permalink)
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So are we going to spend all this time modifying it to accept the Toyota ifs diff and then a month later youíre going to decide to just put your Dana 60 in the front? Maybe we should just do that from the get go? Might as well just start ordering parts for that now.

Iíll try to bring over some more beers and help you tomorrow.
I feel like diff clearance might be a problem with 32s and a 60
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Old 07-12-2019, 03:35 PM   #179 (permalink)
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So the current delema is that I didn't take any measurements before ripping the old diff out. so I'm not exactly sure how high it needs to sit. My plan is to drop it a bit in order to help the cv angle, but I don't want to go too crazy.

I guess I'll measure up the 1st Gen to at least get an idea.
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I can get you any measurements you might need
Thanks homie, I thought about texting you but then I didn't

Does your bil still want that locker?

I was just looking for a height measurement, so bottom of frame rail to center of the flanges?
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Thanks homie, I thought about texting you but then I didn't

Does your bil still want that locker?

I was just looking for a height measurement, so bottom of frame rail to center of the flanges?


He needs a new 4spd auto before he needs a locker

I'll go see what I can measure with minimal effort :flipoff2



On driverside directly under the front of the shock tower I got 3-3/4" down to centerline of cv output
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Old 07-13-2019, 03:25 PM   #183 (permalink)
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He needs a new 4spd auto before he needs a locker

I'll go see what I can measure with minimal effort :flipoff2



On driverside directly under the front of the shock tower I got 3-3/4" down to centerline of cv output
Thanks homie
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So this is what I came up with using my (not so) broad selection of steel. Started as 4x4x.188 the plan is to weld the piece to the diff tube and then make it bolt to the crossmembers.





It will wind up just shy of an inch lower than the stock one. It looks a lot lower, but it's probably partially because the diff is bigger. It only hangs about 1/4" lower than the stock crossmember, so I didn't really loose anything. I do feel like a skid plate might be a good idea with the cover being aluminum. I'll deal with that later.

I still need to make the mount for the pinion, but that will just be a piece of plate with 2 holes welded to the side of the rear a arm mount.
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Looks good, my future sidekick is coming along nicely.
Any plans of registering it?
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Looks good, my future sidekick is coming along nicely.
Any plans of registering it?
It's possible!

Yes, I tried to smog it the last time I had a day off but the batt had died so obviously the monitors weren't ready. I didn't want to drive it around with the front driveline zip tied up, so I figured I just need to get this stupid diff in so I can drive it and have a reason to register it.

Just now got all the plates with the nuts welded on the back welded to the crossmembers. Just need to att the pinion mount and a little piece to replace the section of the rear crossmember I cut out.
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You still have the trackick tcase in it?
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You still have the trackick tcase in it?
Yes, I need to track down an intermediate shaft. Plan is to just use Toyota shafts since I have a few, they're way stronger and easier to find than stock samurai shit.
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Worked on this bastard all day today.





I used the piece of 4x4 tube that I cut off to patch the spot in the rear crossmember. Worked out well.



Pinion mount was pretty simple



The stock breather stuck up and was hitting the oil pan. I actually happen to have my burnt 60 right there with the perfect solution. You can also see how much I cut off the diff flange.



All finalized, it's tight as shit in there. I lifted the motor about an inch, and probably should have done it more.



Also did an SAS on the 2 door

I pulled all the ifs out of it and wanted it to remain a roller. I'm hoping to use the 1st Gen spindles so the Toyota cv conversion bushings I have will work.
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Old 07-16-2019, 10:49 PM   #190 (permalink)
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Pulled the 4 door back in and tore the front end apart. Turns out the 1st Gen spindles are interchangeable with the 2nd Gen. So the bushings will work as is.

I was also curious about the 1st Gen a arms since they are steel and have a bolt on ball joint instead of the stupid 1 piece cast a arm on the 2nd gen. Well the mounts lined up, but the ball joint is way further back on the 1st Gen a arm. I am really thinking about making my own a arms. It really doesn't look that complex to me. Might try to use a 7/8" hiem to replace the ball joint.

One thing that may interest some is putting 2nd Gen a arms on a 1st Gen to move the tire forward.

Another thing I noticed is that the knuckles look interchangeable, but have a few differences. The caliper ears are further out on the 2nd Gen, the 2nd Gen looks beefier in general, and the most interesting is the steering arm is way higher. Which interests me because my ends are bind before I get full droop. My plan was to just drill the knuckles for hiems and run them on top. As I type this, I'm realizing that may fuck with the toe through travel, but I'd probably never notice anyway



Got the pass side CV fitted, seems like it fits like it should.
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2nd gen arms are also narrower and the pivot points are slightly wider. documented alot of this in my thread as i built the arms

use the 2nd gen knuckle if at all possible. the bump steer from factory already isnt all the great, no need to amplify it with those 1st gen knuckles. if the 1st gen spindle fits the 2nd gen knuckle, you are already well ahead since the bushing will fit. just becareful putting the bushing in, its thin and the material deforms real easy.
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2nd gen arms are also narrower and the pivot points are slightly wider. documented alot of this in my thread as i built the arms

use the 2nd gen knuckle if at all possible. the bump steer from factory already isnt all the great, no need to amplify it with those 1st gen knuckles. if the 1st gen spindle fits the 2nd gen knuckle, you are already well ahead since the bushing will fit. just becareful putting the bushing in, its thin and the material deforms real easy.
Thanks, I remember reading some of that, I was just curious to try it myself.

My idea was to cut the end off the 1st Gen a arm and move it forward but it would be more work than it's worth imo.
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Thanks, I remember reading some of that, I was just curious to try it myself.

My idea was to cut the end off the 1st Gen a arm and move it forward but it would be more work than it's worth imo.
yup, i have two brand new 1st gen arms on my shelf in the garage that im not using. it was way easier to grab a set of first gen calimonkey arms for damn near nothing, cut/splice/extend those.
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Got 1 side together last night, I thought I had more pics, but I guess only took 1 of how far the hub sticks out. Not terrible with the 1" spacers. Might go to 1.5" and throw the 1" in the back.



I want to put the longer struts on at the same time, but they are a little too long and the cv binds up at full droop. I'm thinking about getting limit straps.
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Kinda disappointed with lowrange right now. I decided to just order the last few parts I need for the sami tcase swap (intermediate shaft and Toyota driveline adapters)

I figured I'd grab the pair of limit straps too.

So for 2 ~4" round by 1/2" thick adapters and 2 14" limit straps they wanted $42 for shipping

So I said fuck that and got the adapters from zor (which was hard to find that they even made them) and with shipping it was the same price as just the adapters from lowrange. Then I got the limit straps on Amazon prime for half the price.
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not sure how i missed this build but love it was just an event and there was a guy there with a 2 door kick on baby vtreads and it was turbo'd and that thing kicked ass all weekend. was blown away buy it for how basic it was and how well it worked
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I just love how cheap everything is. Brand new tire is $120 instead of $650

Going to see soon how it does on rock trails. Hopefully it will be fun.

Once I get it going, I really want to build some lower a arms to push the axle forward 2-3" oddly enough that wi actually make the cv's and steering line up better. I'm hoping to cram some 35s under it for snow and rocks.
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I'm hoping to cram some 35s under it for snow and rocks.
I came here to say it needs more sawzall and tires now that you have the front end in it. How hard would it be to just run toyota arms? Would frame mounts and shock hoops be harder then arms? Parts would probably be free.
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Well, test drive was a bust. What I feared, but ignored happened. The Toyota diff is actually narrower than the suzuki diff, which left the cv's too short. The boot seemed over extended, but I figured fuck it, see what happens. 5 mins of 2 mph and this happens.





So now, do I have spacers made or just go with t100 cv's (exactly the same but 3 1/4" longer) and make my +2 wide and +3 a arms?
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Well, test drive was a bust. What I feared, but ignored happened. The Toyota diff is actually narrower than the suzuki diff, which left the cv's too short. The boot seemed over extended, but I figured fuck it, see what happens. 5 mins of 2 mph and this happens.





So now, do I have spacers made or just go with t100 cv's (exactly the same but 3 1/4" longer) and make my +2 wide and +3 a arms?
Are you just two 1/2" spacers away from being able to use it as is for a while and get the fun back? Because making spacers for that looks like a small easy project. I'd do that instead of taking it back apart for a few more months to build A-arms.
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