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Old 05-22-2016, 04:26 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Are Air Bags my best way to go ?

I have 2014 Ram 2500 4X4 . It has the linked rear suspension with coils . I'm pulling a 36ft Gooseneck enclosed/toyhauler trailer . When I hook up and lower the trailer to the ball the truck is dropping about 6"+ . Are the Air Bag kits I'm see the answer to my problem or is there a better way to go . I see some have onboard air and others I guess have to be pumped up from another air source . Thanks for your input .
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Old 05-22-2016, 06:33 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I've had them on 2 trucks and they work Awsome .the first was a Tacoma 06 that I pulled an equipment trailer with a heavy TJ on it and it made a world of difference.the second was a 13 ram 2500 diesel which I pull a gooseneck and a dump trailer with it pulls the dump better (12000 g v w) but they are not needed on my gooseneck because it is lite ( 24 foot deck over pulling same tj)
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Old 05-22-2016, 08:21 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I have 2014 Ram 2500 4X4 . It has the linked rear suspension with coils . I'm pulling a 36ft Gooseneck enclosed/toyhauler trailer . When I hook up and lower the trailer to the ball the truck is dropping about 6"+ . Are the Air Bag kits I'm see the answer to my problem or is there a better way to go . I see some have onboard air and others I guess have to be pumped up from another air source . Thanks for your input .
Assuming that is a Cummins, you are probably well over rated payload, so you will need to make up for the stock truck short comings.

Airbags are likely a must. I have been eying Hellwig's (they are a little larger than the others, should improve ride) and install looks very simple.

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Firestone and Airlift are popular and can be used with the Daystar cradles for improved suspension travel off-road.

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As far as how you air them up, that's personal preference. I typically just air them up from an external source since it's cheaper.

Given how much weight you are running, it would be good to scale the truck and get front and rear axle weights, and ensure your tires have enough load rating.
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Old 05-22-2016, 11:51 AM   #4 (permalink)
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The BEST way to go would be to upgrade to a 3500 dually. If you are pushing the back of a 2500 down 6" you must have well over 3000 lbs of pin weight. A 2500 Cummins has about 2000-2500lbs of payload. My 3500 SRW has 4300 and a dually has 5000+.

That being said airbags are probably your only option to make your truck kind of work. Like others have said make sure you're not overloaded on your Tire ratings. A blowout with that much weight could be deadly.
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I'm running 285-19.5 Toyo's so I have plenty of tire . Rated at 6500# each , more than a dually set-up . I was just curoius about the air bag set-up and which one was best for the $$$ . Thanks
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I'm running 285-19.5 Toyo's so I have plenty of tire . Rated at 6500# each , more than a dually set-up . I was just curoius about the air bag set-up and which one was best for the $$$ . Thanks
Cool. The Hellwigs sure look good from what I have read/seen. I may go with Firestones on my 2500 though as I want to run the Daystars I think...
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I'm running 285-19.5 Toyo's so I have plenty of tire . Rated at 6500# each , more than a dually set-up . I was just curoius about the air bag set-up and which one was best for the $$$ . Thanks
Tires being rated that much is one thing, but your suspension isn't that capable
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Tires being rated that much is one thing, but your suspension isn't that capable
OP should probably start a thread about increasing the capacity of his suspension then uh? Maybe one about adding air bags would be a good place to start.
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Old 05-22-2016, 02:57 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Firestone airbag kit on two of our pickups. 30+k of hay used to make the dodge ride on the bumps, now you can make it ride level with that easily. onboard compressor is the way to go, just make sure you empty all the air out when you're empty, rides like a brick.

Easy to install too, at least on leafs. I think you can buy kits with internal bumps too so you don't have to have any air in the bags.

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Old 05-23-2016, 07:11 AM   #10 (permalink)
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How hard would it be for the OP to just replace the coils with Airbags on those trucks? It seems like it would be a better way to go than just a helper bag.
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I run the Firestone Riderights on my 3/4 ton. I simply have the schrader fill valves located on my rear bumper by the plate and fill them with my Viair compressor. You can buy in cab fill kits with its own dedicated pump, I already had the Viair so I just get off my ass and fill them manually.


I know some on here are the tow narcs and will swear you'll kill a bus load of orphaned nuns, but keep it at your rear axle weight limit since that seems to be your limiting factor with the 19.5" tires and don't tow at 100 mph and you'll be fine....as long as common sense driving is common to you!
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The BEST way to go would be to upgrade to a 3500 dually. If you are pushing the back of a 2500 down 6" you must have well over 3000 lbs of pin weight. A 2500 Cummins has about 2000-2500lbs of payload. My 3500 SRW has 4300 and a dually has 5000+.

That being said airbags are probably your only option to make your truck kind of work. Like others have said make sure you're not overloaded on your Tire ratings. A blowout with that much weight could be deadly.

Well over as in easily 2-3x that. 3000lbs never sagged my 2500 anywhere near that. More like 2.5-3".
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Well over as in easily 2-3x that. 3000lbs never sagged my 2500 anywhere near that. More like 2.5-3".
Even with the overloads, 3k in the bed would damn near set it on the bump stops on my 3/4 ton. That's why I added airbags.
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they really help out on my half ton. before the bags if i hit like a dip in the road it seemed like the bumper would slam down to the ground just towing my s10

i have a system from air rite that i put on around 2010. last year the bags started splitting and one leaked, they replaced them free of charge as they are warrantied for life. good thing too cause they were 100 a bag.
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Wait, coils in the rear of a 3/4 ton? Did OP mean 1500?
I thought half ton dodges and honda ridgelines were the only ones with coil rears?
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Wait, coils in the rear of a 3/4 ton? Did OP mean 1500?
I thought half ton dodges and honda ridgelines were the only ones with coil rears?
Yes. Been that way since the '14s came out
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Wait, coils in the rear of a 3/4 ton? Did OP mean 1500?
I thought half ton dodges and honda ridgelines were the only ones with coil rears?
All Ram 2500s have coils since 2014. As well, 1/2 ton Avalanches since 2002. (3/4 tons were leafs.)
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Get a set of 3500 coils for the rear.
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Get a set of 3500 coils for the rear.
No such thing. 3500s use leafs.
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Well over as in easily 2-3x that. 3000lbs never sagged my 2500 anywhere near that. More like 2.5-3".
What year is your 2500? OPs Dodge has rear coils. Earlier leaf spring models seemed to carry the weight much better.
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Does a Ram even have 6+" of compression travel in back???
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I'm guessing the 6" figure is a "it was dark and I was drunk" type of determination.

If his '14 2500 sat 6" lower in the rear, it's because he remove 2" of factory bump stop

I just measured my available up travel on my bone-stock '14, and it's under 4".

So yeeeeaaaahhh,,,,,Internet dimensions yo
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You don't need airbags. You need a bigger truck or smaller trailer. That truck is design for a certain amount of load. If you are exceeding it you are overloading the truck. Period. Sure you may have bigger tires and 'cummins bro' but at the end of the way, that truck is overloaded and potentially unsafe.

Air bags are nice yes, but you need to be careful that you're not using them to mask a deeper problem. I have actually decided against airbags on my truck solely because having them would make it easy to overload. Without them it's very easy to get a good idea of how much load I have based on squat....
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Without them it's very easy to get a good idea of how much load I have based on squat....
yea because you cant let the air out of the bags and get a good idea of how much load you have based on squat
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I'm guessing the 6" figure is a "it was dark and I was drunk" type of determination.

If his '14 2500 sat 6" lower in the rear, it's because he remove 2" of factory bump stop

I just measured my available up travel on my bone-stock '14, and it's under 4".

So yeeeeaaaahhh,,,,,Internet dimensions yo
This also depends on where your measuring, 4" at the axle could very easily be 6" at the rear bumper.

I would definitely recommend a set of air bags with on board air. Seperate out the bags side to side on the air system so they can't "transfer" air from side to side in a corner. Helps keep you leveled out. Weight transfer while cornering can lean the truck over and the air from the outside bad will move to the inside bag and let the body roll, keeping it Seperate will keep the truck allot more level.

Also like was said, look to see if there is a kit to swap out to full bags and get rid oof the coils. I have been contemplating picking up a rear air suspension from a MDT and seeing what it would take to mount it under my tow rig, they ride allot better when empty and handle the weight much better.
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