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Old 01-31-2020, 11:51 AM   #1626 (permalink)
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I get zero solar in the winter..... .

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This is the deal.


Did you get the correct cable to program the Multi?
I am worried about your ability to kill batteries LOL
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Did you get the correct cable to program the Multi?

I am worried about your ability to kill batteries LOL
It's just an ether net cable, so yes. The color control should be able to program.

And I don't usually stay more than a couple nights, and burn 50ah a night on average.

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As the saying goes, 10lbs of **it in a 5lb bucket...
Old vs new


Out with the old


New in place

High and negative low volt done ish


Too much **** to connect to the negative stud of the shunt....


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Old 02-01-2020, 06:02 PM   #1629 (permalink)
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It's just an ether net cable, so yes. The color control should be able to program.

And I don't usually stay more than a couple nights, and burn 50ah a night on average.

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Oh yeah I forgot the Color Control, dang it that's going to be cool.
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Oh yeah I forgot the Color Control, dang it that's going to be cool.
Yeah should be good!

I'm short of wire it looks like..... Ugh. Probably need a piece of 4/0 and a stud too.

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Old 02-03-2020, 06:05 AM   #1631 (permalink)
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Old ones coming out



New insulation, I had a piece under the old ones, but it was thin and crushed over time. 1" of XPS used this time.



The old cases showed a little rub wear between them, nothing really to worry about, but I added a little protection anyway. Old inner tubes, should give just a hint of space/cushion



And all in place!



And wired up. Need a bit more wire, and one USB to VE Direct for the victron stuff. I didn't realize you have to leave the head of the BMV in place, I was going to pull it and use the color control only.

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Nice work!
Thanks!

Got it powered up last night. Charger works. Just need to get the controls wired up now. And tidy wiring up.

One thing I didn't know, it seems the Victron charger will only pass ac thru if it's turned to inverter mode?



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Thanks!

Got it powered up last night. Charger works. Just need to get the controls wired up now. And tidy wiring up.

One thing I didn't know, it seems the Victron charger will only pass ac thru if it's turned to inverter mode?

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That seems right per the Victron support forum. https://community.victronenergy.com/...multiplus.html
That doesn't really seem like a problem does it?

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That seems right per the Victron support forum. https://community.victronenergy.com/...multiplus.html
That doesn't really seem like a problem does it?
It was nice to not have to turn the inverter on whenever I was plugged in (with the previous model).

Plug in, AC on, unplug AC off, no having to turn inverter on and off. I dont like to leave it running as it eats battery when not in use.
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I am so freaking sore. What idiot designed this fucking truck?!?!?!

48" deep, 9" wide.... My wires have to run at the VERY back edge.... Put both arms over your head, shimmy in, brace feet against other wall, breathe out and push.... Ouch. I am not a small person...



After drilling two holes (because the first one was too small.....) Feed long stiff wire through and try to hit the hole in the upper shelf. Curse repeatedly. But I got it, take one VE direct cable, one power cable, and one ethernet, and hope like hell you can get it back thru the little hole.



Removed the BMV, cut the hole for the Color control, and mounted it.



Remounted the BMV (you need it for the battery calculations, the color control wont talk to the shunt directly....)



And powered it up. No programming. I was exhausted at this point...




Now the annoying part. The color control will not work with the bluetooth dongles.... WTF. I guess I will see if I can return the VE to USB I bought.... Stupid. It will work on wifi.... But you have to use their wifi dongle they like. And that's a shit load more setup. I guess I will try to learn some networking..... If I can get on the house wifi from where the truck is parked that might be cool though.... Remote data logging is possible I guess. More to learn.
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networking is easy.

post what you need to figure out.
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networking is easy.

post what you need to figure out.
Ha sure it is..... Ill let you know how it goes today. I have exactly one hour to fuck with it this evening, if I can find a wifi dongle it will talk to. IIRC I have one somewhere.
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it's just numbers.
think of them like street addresses and the data you want to send as mail.
every packet is an envelope.

so if you're going to connect it to a network I'd advise assigning it a static IP outside of your DHCP range, or assigning it a static DHCP lease.
that way it's always at the same address when you ask it something.

the larger issue will be when you're away from home how will you talk to it? hotspot from your phone?
wifi hotspot in the truck?
unless it will do an adhoc network and assign your phone a DHCP address you won't be able to use it standalone, which is probably the single biggest advantage to bluetooth vs wifi.

do you ave anything else you'd like to be accessible on a network? If so an access point may be a good thing in the truck to just provide an easy access to everything on it's own network.
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It was nice to not have to turn the inverter on whenever I was plugged in (with the previous model).

Plug in, AC on, unplug AC off, no having to turn inverter on and off. I dont like to leave it running as it eats battery when not in use.

I ran into the same issue on some job trailers I built with Renogy and AIMS inverter/chargers. Roughnecks would leave the inverter in Auto and forgot to turn it off when the would rig move, next location = dead battery voltage too low to charge

Maybe the color control will help with the reminding.

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I'm probably interjecting to much here but I believe this is the designed system for the components he is using. As far as I know it will store data online and upload when its back in wifi range.
https://vrm.victronenergy.com/landingpage
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it's just numbers.
think of them like street addresses and the data you want to send as mail.
every packet is an envelope.

so if you're going to connect it to a network I'd advise assigning it a static IP outside of your DHCP range, or assigning it a static DHCP lease.
that way it's always at the same address when you ask it something.

the larger issue will be when you're away from home how will you talk to it? hotspot from your phone?
wifi hotspot in the truck?
unless it will do an adhoc network and assign your phone a DHCP address you won't be able to use it standalone, which is probably the single biggest advantage to bluetooth vs wifi.

do you ave anything else you'd like to be accessible on a network? If so an access point may be a good thing in the truck to just provide an easy access to everything on it's own network.
Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah??????

I kinda get he basics....

I will have to mess with it this afternoon. Supposedly its automatic for the most part, says no need to assign IP's etc.

I believe it will talk to the app on my phone. I think...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKJMXxRIkG0

We run a hotspot in the truck when we are in the US, but I am not sure I can get this thing connected to it (wife's work hotspot....). At home I may be just able to tickle the wifi from the parking spot. I have an extender I can try as well.

Nothing else I need networked on the truck.


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I ran into the same issue on some job trailers I built with Renogy and AIMS inverter/chargers. Roughnecks would leave the inverter in Auto and forgot to turn it off when the would rig move, next location = dead battery voltage too low to charge

Maybe the color control will help with the reminding.
Exactly!!! I turn the inverter ON when I want it, not have to turn it off all the damn time.... Oh well.
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I'm probably interjecting to much here but I believe this is the designed system for the components he is using. As far as I know it will store data online and upload when its back in wifi range.
https://vrm.victronenergy.com/landingpage
I don't think it stores/uploads when back online, that section just goes missing.

But yes that's the system.

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I don't think it stores/uploads when back online, that section just goes missing.

But yes that's the system.

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Looks like 48 hours of storage with SD card in Color Control

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When connected to the internet, all data is sent to the VRM Portal. When there is no internet
connection available, the CCGX will store the data internally, up to 48 hours. By inserting a micro SDcard or USB stick, more data can be stored. These files can then be uploaded to the VRM Portal, or
offline converted with the VictronConnect app, for analysis.
edit: I need to re-read that, kind of looks like with larger SD or USB card much more data log is available than the internal memory of 48 hours?

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Looks like 48 hours of storage with SD card in Color Control



edit: I need to re-read that, kind of looks like with larger SD or USB card much more data log is available than the internal memory of 48 hours?
Yes I think its 48 internal, and more with SD, cant use too large and SD as it must be FAT32, not exFAt32.
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I am so freaking sore. What idiot designed this fucking truck?!?!?!

48" deep, 9" wide.... My wires have to run at the VERY back edge.... Put both arms over your head, shimmy in, brace feet against other wall, breathe out and push.... Ouch. I am not a small person...



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Yeah I really should have.... But explaining what to do seemed harder than just doing it. But I am so sore..... I think I bruised everything from my nipples up, front and back....
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Curiosity only...

This has been one of the best builds in this forum for a long time... So looking back, would you do it again? Worth the effort and money? Or would you go a different route?
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Curiosity only...

This has been one of the best builds in this forum for a long time... So looking back, would you do it again? Worth the effort and money? Or would you go a different route?
Absofreakingloutely.

I love this truck, it works REALLY well for us. Would there be some changes doing it again? Yes definitely.

Doing it over:
Shorter, the headroom is nice, but its tall.
Floor heat!!! Hydronic.
I build the kitchen over the flooring, looking back that was dumb. If I ever want to replace it I am screwed.
The ply interior is nice, but heavy. Composite with veneer? Maybe. And if ply, paint all the edges with epoxy resin before install. water gets EVERYWHERE.
Different water heater.
Different wheels and tire maybe. Id like to try some 20" but its $$$ just to try. Not sure they would be better.
Keep it lighter in general. Not sure its really possible with keeping all the amenities. (smaller body and not plate steel floor would help)
I wish someone made a window without ALU frames. I would consider the Arctic Tern, but you have to design around their sizes.

All that being what it is, I love this thing. Its really really good. If I was to do a V3 ever it would be smaller for just the wife and I when the kid is out of the house. But I likely wont. If this one is still alive it will work fine.
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Oh and on the programming/networking front.... you have to use THEIR wifi dongle.... It would not recognize any of the ones I had.....

But now it knows its a DC system and will show that on the main screen. And telling it its a vehicle adds an inveter on/off toggle to the front of the other main screen.

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