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Old 03-20-2018, 05:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Rail Road Wheel Adapters Ford 60

I came upon a guy who is scrapping out several ex railroad F350's that are 05 and newer. They have wheel adapters that go to a much larger lug pattern and the trucks are wearing 19.5 singles on what look like dually rims. My focus was more on the hydraulics that lowered the idlers to the RR tracks and I didn't think about those adapters until I had left.

Are those adapters in any kind of demand? The 19.5 wheels? I have read that the 05+ front axles are great but not very valuable to flip. What is the going rate and demand in your areas for them?
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Old 03-21-2018, 05:25 AM   #2 (permalink)
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The trucks I've seen for RR use have very inset wheels which require re-centering before most people would be able to use them. That being said the adapters could be worth the effort provided the larger lug pattern is reasonably standard.
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Old 03-21-2018, 07:37 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Depends on the larger lug pattern, If you can use them as semi wheel adapters then someone will pay $$ for them.

A lot of the ones I see around here just use truck lug pattern with crazy offset wheels, not dually wheels.
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Old 03-21-2018, 07:39 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I may interested in the adapters if they are a Budd pattern 10 bolt and I can make them work..... Pics?
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They are usually 8 on 275mm bolt pattern.
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Should look like this.

https://m.ebay.com/itm/8-X-170-To-8-...gAAOSwEmFaosOA

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Old 03-21-2018, 05:53 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Thank you that is exactly what they look like. This med duty stuff is totally out of my knowledge base. I know I have read threads with guys using 19.5's on 1 tons. What kind of value do these adapters and wheels have to you guys? Is there much desire and demand for them? I could probably get more than a half dozen sets of the adapters and wheels but only to flip. They are nothing I would ever need for my own use.
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I take it adapters fit 8x170mm pattern? Would they hold a pair of the 19.5" wheels each?

Might be a way for somebody to 'heavy up' their superduty towrig.
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Old 03-24-2018, 12:15 PM   #9 (permalink)
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https://www.southwestwheel.com/c-22-...-aluminum.aspx

they're pricey new.
seems flippable for a couple hundo a set.
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Old 03-24-2018, 01:02 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I could sure see running a set in the back on a dually, less worries about the narrow track width back there
up front you'd probably need to stack up some other spacers to get reasonable steering angle

grab them and toss em on ebay for $60 each, 20 bucks shipping, one'd probably fit in the flat medium flat rate box, and two'd fit in a large

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I was under the impression that those were proprietary to the RR
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Old 03-24-2018, 03:19 PM   #12 (permalink)
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In that link they all seemed to be going to 10 lug wheels and these are eight. I have no idea if the wheels could be used as duallys in the rear, the lug studs don't look long enough to me. Work is getting busy for the next month or so and no time to mess with them. Rumor has it that another dozen of those RR trucks will be in the yard in the next month to 6 weeks but until they get there they don't know how they will be configured. They are also getting 3/4 ton chevys with conventional wheels. I will be going back to look at what they are getting in more for inverters, 12v hyd pumps and such. Those trucks have a lot of cool gadgets on them. I brought home a 2500w continuous duty 5000w surge inverter.

If anyone has interest in them or a source to flip them Im sure I could get them at a reasonable price. Too much on my plate now though to stick out my neck and have more heavy junk laying around.
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Old 03-25-2018, 12:28 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Those 8 bolt hub pilot pattern were common on Roadway trucks.
But with 22.5" wheels.
There are 22.5 aluminum wheels with that pattern available, but not a huge amount of them.
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Old 03-25-2018, 06:49 AM   #14 (permalink)
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In that link they all seemed to be going to 10 lug wheels and these are eight.
true, but if someone is trying to put 19.5s on a 1 ton their options are $1500+ from them or a few hundo from you, you think they're gonna care about the bolt pattern?
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I really can't imagine any use for these in a non railroad application...

I think some people are missing the point of these, it's not gain 19.5's.. It's to get the track width down to rail gauge(4' 8.5"), they end up being 19.5's to clear the brakes/steering(and also for legacy reasons I'm sure)

High rail trucks handle HORRIBLY on the road, I surely wouldn't want to tow heavy with one, or put a large truck camper in one.. Maybe if you put a big enough wheel spacer under them to get the track width back to normal, but it would be a pretty big spacer, and you would start to loose the cheapness factor of them.
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I really can't imagine any use for these in a non railroad application...

I think some people are missing the point of these, it's not gain 19.5's.. It's to get the track width down to rail gauge(4' 8.5"), they end up being 19.5's to clear the brakes/steering(and also for legacy reasons I'm sure)

High rail trucks handle HORRIBLY on the road, I surely wouldn't want to tow heavy with one, or put a large truck camper in one.. Maybe if you put a big enough wheel spacer under them to get the track width back to normal, but it would be a pretty big spacer, and you would start to loose the cheapness factor of them.
Thanks that puts it to rest and got them out of my system. I get that they have to get traction on the rails but they sure looked wide to me. When I get back there I will measure the track width just for the hell of it.
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I really can't imagine any use for these in a non railroad application...

I think some people are missing the point of these, it's not gain 19.5's.. It's to get the track width down to rail gauge(4' 8.5"), they end up being 19.5's to clear the brakes/steering(and also for legacy reasons I'm sure)

High rail trucks handle HORRIBLY on the road, I surely wouldn't want to tow heavy with one, or put a large truck camper in one.. Maybe if you put a big enough wheel spacer under them to get the track width back to normal, but it would be a pretty big spacer, and you would start to loose the cheapness factor of them.
Is the width in the wheels or the axles?
I thought the rail trucks had the axles narrowed.

if it's in the wheel backspacing then yeah, fuck that.
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Old rail wheels used to be a custom inboard/positive offset... the centers had a unique stamping and couldn't be 'duallied' up back to back.

The wheels depicted in this thread are not the same. They look like off-the-shelf dually wheels, and the specific offset is taken up in the adapter.
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