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thebonds · 04-13-2018, 08:26 PM

Didn't sift through all the bs posts distracting me of my goals, but see numbers and guess's of prices being thrown around. I'm Into the truck its self 44k, and 1k for the giant bed. Original plans were to build from scratch, but the used bed was just too good of a deal. I flat out told the dealer my plans of sectioning and lengthening the frame if I need to. I'm perfectly comfortable performing such task if need be. Or for a less drastic approach moving the axle back on the frame it has now. These options just are not realistic for the timeframe I have now. We are going to be on the road to Moab next weekend, and this is what I could accomplish after work and my couple of free weekends having the truck. So while I appreciate the expert opinions they are falling on deaf ears for now. For the near future who knows, so just chill and if you enjoy then follow along.

BigBlue&Goldie2 · 04-13-2018, 10:01 PM

It's pretty bad when a 2018 is the most jenky build in Moab.

YotaAtieToo · 04-13-2018, 11:09 PM

So, 12k lbs on the rear axle? Fuck it?

thebonds · 04-13-2018, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YotaAtieToo

So, 12k lbs on the rear axle? Fuck it?

Nope it wont be close that. Last I weighed unloaded was
4 820 front and 4,880 rear.

thebonds · 04-13-2018, 11:51 PM

But for this trip, fuck it yeah. Ready to go wheelin

Elwenil · 04-14-2018, 06:33 AM

I'm pretty sure when you are fucking stupid, you know you are fucking stupid and knowingly continue to be fucking stupid, it makes even more fucking stupid.

greenenvy · 04-14-2018, 06:56 AM

Do yourself a favour and fill between the ramps with extruded mesh. First time you step between the ramps and brake a leg you'll be thankful.

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GLTHFJ60 · 04-14-2018, 08:51 AM

:lol: I'm along for the ride

[email protected] · 04-14-2018, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebonds

But for this trip, fuck it yeah. Ready to go wheelin

venominjected · 04-14-2018, 09:29 AM

Weren't hauling firewood this weekend by chance were you?

YotaAtieToo · 04-14-2018, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebonds

Nope it wont be close that. Last I weighed unloaded was
4 820 front and 4,880 rear.

Who gives a fuck about un loaded?

Add a 6k lb crawler and 800lbs of tounge weight 8' behind the axle, plus all the shit you bring on a long trip, the family, all their stuff, a full tank of fuel and I bet you will be a lot closer to 12k than you think.

bgaidan · 04-14-2018, 11:11 AM

Scale ticket or get the fuck out.

thebonds · 04-14-2018, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greenenvy

Do yourself a favour and fill between the ramps with extruded mesh. First time you step between the ramps and brake a leg you'll be thankful.

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In the plans, that or aluminum. Rest of the square tube will be replaced with lighter weight round as well

thebonds · 04-14-2018, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YotaAtieToo

Who gives a fuck about un loaded?

Add a 6k lb crawler and 800lbs of tounge weight 8' behind the axle, plus all the shit you bring on a long trip, the family, all their stuff, a full tank of fuel and I bet you will be a lot closer to 12k than you think.

Unloaded is all I've had to go off of for now. Gear will get packed in the trailer, really don't pack much in crawler to begin with. You know, with all that extra storage space. Putting crawler back together now.

thebonds · 04-14-2018, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by venominjected

Weren't hauling firewood this weekend by chance were you?

Long cold winters in these parts.

thebonds · 04-14-2018, 04:01 PM

Rear axle weight

Front

Airbags at 40p.s.I. and distance before overload springs engage

Crawler with gear

YotaAtieToo · 04-14-2018, 04:09 PM

Now hook the trailer up.

ARB-XJ · 04-14-2018, 04:59 PM

14460..with one person, no trailer and how much fuel in each rig? Isnt the GVWR on that thing like 13k? (could be wrong) so lets say with trailer and people almonst 16k..on a 3500....yep i would want my family in that, sure it would do well in an accident with that crawler less then a foot from that cab.

Joey D · 04-14-2018, 05:36 PM

Not sure how tall you’d be but moving the runner forward 2’ would shift some weight to the front. What’s your rear axle rated for?

venominjected · 04-14-2018, 06:10 PM

I believe the 2018 GM DRW 3500HD rear axle gross weight rating is 9750#

Joey D · 04-14-2018, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebonds

Going to have to put this bed on a diet. Weighed in at 10k today. Bit more than I was expecting.

What did the front weigh while it was empty?

BillyBronco · 04-14-2018, 07:01 PM

Although maybe not the way I would do it, I do like that you went out and bought a new truck and aren’t scared to modify it and then use it on a long trip relatively untested. Keep going I like the progress thus far.

absledder · 04-14-2018, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joey D

What did the front weigh while it was empty?

He said 4820 front and 4880 rear

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mwilliamshs · 04-14-2018, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thebonds

...Airbags at 40p.s.I. and distance before overload springs engage

Research Stabil-Loads by Torklift. I've used them with cabover campers on 3 trucks. You DO want the overload springs involved.

ToughBowtieTruck · 04-14-2018, 10:04 PM

Cab and chassis in my book is shown as a C/K 3600 (not mistype)

Gcwr is 31,300lbs. Trailer rating not listed because vehicle weight is unknown. "For chassis cab and pickup delete vehicles, choose an appropriate hitch and load the truck and trailer within the limits of GCWR, GVWR, and RGAWR."

Straight from the 2018 GM Duramax supplement manual. So if his rear axle weight rating is good, truck is "good" as far as ratings go.

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thebonds Registered User Join Date: Jun 2012 Member # 221653 Location: st. maries, id Posts: 573	Didn't sift through all the bs posts distracting me of my goals, but see numbers and guess's of prices being thrown around. I'm Into the truck its self 44k, and 1k for the giant bed. Original plans were to build from scratch, but the used bed was just too good of a deal. I flat out told the dealer my plans of sectioning and lengthening the frame if I need to. I'm perfectly comfortable performing such task if need be. Or for a less drastic approach moving the axle back on the frame it has now. These options just are not realistic for the timeframe I have now. We are going to be on the road to Moab next weekend, and this is what I could accomplish after work and my couple of free weekends having the truck. So while I appreciate the expert opinions they are falling on deaf ears for now. For the near future who knows, so just chill and if you enjoy then follow along. __________________ Burn it in! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by thebonds; 04-13-2018 at 08:36 PM. Reason: Sausage fingers

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YotaAtieToo Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Member # 25632 Location: Magalia, Jefferson State Posts: 11,700	So, 12k lbs on the rear axle? Fuck it?

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thebonds Registered User Join Date: Jun 2012 Member # 221653 Location: st. maries, id Posts: 573	Rear axle weight Front Airbags at 40p.s.I. and distance before overload springs engage Crawler with gear __________________ Burn it in! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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YotaAtieToo Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Member # 25632 Location: Magalia, Jefferson State Posts: 11,700	Now hook the trailer up.

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ARB-XJ Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Member # 172746 Location: Eastern shore MD Posts: 511	14460..with one person, no trailer and how much fuel in each rig? Isnt the GVWR on that thing like 13k? (could be wrong) so lets say with trailer and people almonst 16k..on a 3500....yep i would want my family in that, sure it would do well in an accident with that crawler less then a foot from that cab. __________________ 00 XJ D60, S10.5 built as cheap as possible 14 F350 dually

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Joey D Rock God Join Date: May 2003 Member # 20053 Location: Arlington MA Posts: 1,776	Not sure how tall you’d be but moving the runner forward 2’ would shift some weight to the front. What’s your rear axle rated for? Attached Images __________________ Trump 2020

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venominjected Registered User Join Date: Jul 2015 Member # 592913 Location: Wisco Posts: 367	I believe the 2018 GM DRW 3500HD rear axle gross weight rating is 9750# __________________ 1967 Kaiser-Jeep M-715 Cummins 5.9L---Ford ZF S-542/NP-205---Ford Dana 60KP/Sterling 10.25 Last edited by venominjected; 04-14-2018 at 06:18 PM. Reason: Cab and Chassis vs. Pickup (9750 vs 9375)

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BillyBronco Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Member # 30017 Location: Lone Star State Posts: 1,093	Although maybe not the way I would do it, I do like that you went out and bought a new truck and aren’t scared to modify it and then use it on a long trip relatively untested. Keep going I like the progress thus far.

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ToughBowtieTruck Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Member # 143307 Location: the Bank of Loans Posts: 2,237	Cab and chassis in my book is shown as a C/K 3600 (not mistype) Gcwr is 31,300lbs. Trailer rating not listed because vehicle weight is unknown. "For chassis cab and pickup delete vehicles, choose an appropriate hitch and load the truck and trailer within the limits of GCWR, GVWR, and RGAWR." Straight from the 2018 GM Duramax supplement manual. So if his rear axle weight rating is good, truck is "good" as far as ratings go. __________________ :homer: Last edited by ToughBowtieTruck; 04-14-2018 at 10:09 PM.

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