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Old 04-16-2018, 09:49 AM   #126 (permalink)
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😂 I didn't take the time to read back but I'm gonna guess you either agree with or you are the one that said to trust u bolts over welds up top?
There are 10s of thousands of flatbeds out there held on by u bolts. Don't you think if they didn't work that it would be known?
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Meh, doesnt look like the rear axle has any more weight on it than what most big horse trailers have. Shit some trailers have 30ft+ between the pin and axles. Rough equivalent pin weight of a 23,200k (5800lb @ 25% pin weight) horse trailer which is the trucks max tow rating. So really its just on the edge +/- on the rear axle. Those rears are grossly overloaded in the horse trailer world.
He already added more than that before the trailer was hooked up, plus the aledged 800 lb tounge that is 8' behind the axle, which is is going to unload even more off the front.

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There are 10s of thousands of flatbeds out there held on by u bolts. Don't you think if they didn't work that it would be known?
I think I'll start welding my axles to the leaf springs after finding out how bad u-bolts are.
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Old 04-16-2018, 11:02 AM   #129 (permalink)
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Not only is this a cluster of a build, but there are so many other better, cheaper, safer, and easier ways to accomplish what he has set out to do. Now he has a purpose built goofy truck. And still talking about moving the axle. That can’t be cheap to do.

I do know why he’s hell bent on keeping this going though. Had he have u-bolted the bed on, he could’ve backed up and made some changes. Now he’s got 7 million welds to cut off the frame lol
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I would go for a set up like this


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Meh, doesnt look like the rear axle has any more weight on it than what most big horse trailers have. Shit some trailers have 30ft+ between the pin and axles. Rough equivalent pin weight of a 23,200k (5800lb @ 25% pin weight) horse trailer which is the trucks max tow rating. So really its just on the edge +/- on the rear axle. Those rears are grossly overloaded in the horse trailer world.
Please see page 1 or 2 where air bags were added.

My guess bags are running at VERY high PSI to compensate... we're way past the ability of the leaf springs/overloadeders at 10k lbs without camper tongue weight so far past back axle....

Can't imagine what it is right now on the rear axle with that camper tongue weight added.... 11.5-12k lbs on rear axle alone?
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Please see page 1 or 2 where air bags were added.

My guess bags are running at VERY high PSI to compensate... we're way past the ability of the leaf springs/overloadeders at 10k lbs without camper tongue weight so far past back axle....

Can't imagine what it is right now on the rear axle with that camper tongue weight added.... 11.5-12k lbs on rear axle alone?
Unless I'm missing something, that truck is rated at 13.2K GVWR. According to his scale pics, he was 14,480 BEFORE hooking up the trailer. There's literally no way he can make that setup legal without losing some serious weight from the "bed" or moving the rig to a trailer. And I'm going to assume he was alone when he scaled it, so add a couple passengers, luggage/gear, etc. and did he have a full tank of fuel or is there another 20 lbs there? Chances are he's pushing 16k on the 13.2k rated truck and who know how much of that is really on the rear axle?
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Unless I'm missing something, that truck is rated at 13.2K GVWR. According to his scale pics, he was 14,480 BEFORE hooking up the trailer. There's literally no way he can make that setup legal without losing some serious weight from the "bed" or moving the rig to a trailer. And I'm going to assume he was alone when he scaled it, so add a couple passengers, luggage/gear, etc. and did he have a full tank of fuel or is there another 20 lbs there? Chances are he's pushing 16k on the 13.2k rated truck and who know how much of that is really on the rear axle?
Don’t worry about it, his trailer is made of helium.
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I would go for a set up like this


It does seem much more flexible...

Doubles as a DD/useful truck
Don't have to unhitch the camper to unload the crawler
Cheaper

For $50k, a decent 05-08 Chevy Super-C could have been purchased that would have solved the original problem of the camper being cramped. And provided more flexibility.

Or... a larger camper for the pick-em-up.

Or a 5th wheel camper/double-tow situation...

I find the chosen solution to the original problem highly confusing.
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Chances are he's pushing 16k on the 13.2k rated truck and who know how much of that is really on the rear axle?
His scale said 10k of rear axle weight with just the buggy...
(4K on the front also)

Rear axle capacity is 9750...

My guess is hes over rear axle capacity by 3-4,000 lbs.

So little front braking ability (due to so little front axle weight especially after camper tongue weight added).... my guess is stopping distance is x2 of a balanced rig.

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It does seem much more flexible...

Doubles as a DD/useful truck
Don't have to unhitch the camper to unload the crawler
Cheaper

For $50k, a decent 05-08 Chevy Super-C could have been purchased that would have solved the original problem of the camper being cramped. And provided more flexibility.

Or... a larger camper for the pick-em-up.

Or a 5th wheel camper/double-tow situation...

I find the chosen solution to the original problem highly confusing.
I'm running a similar set up, but an older much less comfortable truck the nice thing is it has many modes.

Regular truck that can be used for regular truck stuff.

Truck and car trailer for trips where we camp on the trail.

Truck and camper for road trips.

All of the above for big trips.


I think when we outgrow the camper I'm going to be looking at ~25' motor homes. I really like the ability for the driver and passengers to access the living quarters while driving.
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I think when we outgrow the camper I'm going to be looking at ~25' motor homes. I really like the ability for the driver and passengers to access the living quarters while driving.
I found a HOST that I really, really want. F450-cc-27'-4x4... but it's a 6.0 and f'n expensive.

Also found a Class B E450 4x4... perfect size for me and the wife... but it's a class B with major rear overhang... and again... 6.0. And more $ than the HOST.

Have friends who bought a Chevy based Super-C. Very nice, gets 10MPG (65mph) towing their FZJ80... they are living in it this winter pretending to be snowbirds..
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I found a HOST that I really, really want. F450-cc-27'-4x4... but it's a 6.0 and f'n expensive.

Also found a Class B E450 4x4... perfect size for me and the wife... but it's a class B with major rear overhang... and again... 6.0. And more $ than the HOST.

Have friends who bought a Chevy based Super-C. Very nice, gets 10MPG (65mph) towing their FZJ80... they are living in it this winter pretending to be snowbirds..
10 mpg isn't bad, I can't do much better with my 7.3 and the camper on. Is that an 8.1?
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10 mpg isn't bad, I can't do much better with my 7.3 and the camper on. Is that an 8.1?
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I should have know, I was thinking after I posted "my 6.0 suburban could barely do 12 mpg...."
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6.6 or the isuzu 6-cyl "duramax"?
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So with the trailer hitch hanging 50% of the wheelbase back from the rear axle and having 800lbs of toung weight it should have aproxamitly 400lbs of lift on the front..... that 400lbs gets transferred directly to the rear right?
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6.6. I haven't seen a 6-cyl in a super-c
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What're the rear tires on that thing rated at?
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6.6. I haven't seen a 6-cyl in a super-c
I guess you had to get to the 6500+ to get the cat or 7.8l isuzu 6-cyl. options. Might not have been motorhomes built on those chassis.
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What're the rear tires on that thing rated at?
I was thinking this too. Without looking them up, 3150 ea? That's 12,600lbs worth of tire rating. Aside from the wheelbase/giant lever problem, he might not be quite as bad as one might think. I think I would have bought a larger truck, or at the very least one with more wheelbase. That can't be the longest cab to axle they make in a 3500 C&C is it?
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I was thinking this too. Without looking them up, 3150 ea? That's 12,600lbs worth of tire rating. Aside from the wheelbase/giant lever problem, he might not be quite as bad as one might think. I think I would have bought a larger truck, or at the very least one with more wheelbase. That can't be the longest cab to axle they make in a 3500 C&C is it?
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It's probably the longest wb they make. With a single cab, a 12' bed would fit.
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I don’t have a dog in this fight but I am now wondering if I am the only person that thinks everything is rated for way less than what it is capable for, just because people go and do stuff like this.

I assume most manufacturers for whatever product from a truck to a Kitchenaid mixer build in a 10-20% “let me really see what this fucker can do” factor.
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I don’t have a dog in this fight but I am now wondering if I am the only person that thinks everything is rated for way less than what it is capable for, just because people go and do stuff like this.

I assume most manufacturers for whatever product from a truck to a Kitchenaid mixer build in a 10-20% “let me really see what this fucker can do” factor.
They rate it for 100% duty at probably 75 mpg. So of course it will handle more weight occasionally or at a lower speed. The worst part about this set up is how light the front is. You know the tires that do the steering and braking....
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They rate it for 100% duty at probably 75 mpg. So of course it will handle more weight occasionally or at a lower speed. The worst part about this set up is how light the front is. You know the tires that do the steering and braking....
He might as well put separate controls for the left and right rear brakes so he’ll be able to steer it
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