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Old 01-13-2019, 08:07 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Would you guys buy this trailer?

The good
8' wide 16' long with 4' dovetail
Titled and plated
Priced under $1000
8 lug axles

The bad
Narrow axles, hydraulic surge brakes
Narrow frame inside the tires
16.5 old bias tires need replaced soon

The Meh
Wood deck, no ramps or plans for ramp
Torsion axles, not sure if good or bad yet?
Axle placement too far back? Not sure?

My plan for this trailer would be general hauling cars, trucks, anything else that fits. General purpose scrap runs included. I have a 7000 lb car hauler which does everything now but I'm tired of overloading it.

My main concerns are the tires are 15" inside the outside edge of the deck. Looks funny, not sure if a stability issue long term. I will probably haul hay for a friend once or twice a year. Is it an issue?

Second concern is surge brakes. I've never messed with them. Can you typically get replacement electric brakes to go on the same axle ends?

So on to the pics.
Syrup suckers aren't letting me do pics for some fawked up reason
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Old 01-13-2019, 08:23 AM   #2 (permalink)
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So I got pics up here.



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Old 01-13-2019, 08:35 AM   #3 (permalink)
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looks like a dually should haul it around just fine...I believe it will be heavy on the tongue but that's fine it should track good, looks like it might need a new jack but those are fairly cheap and for a grand and if you have a need it sounds like a good deal...
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Torsion axles are cool generally. Typically you can just bolt an electric backing plate assemblies in place of the hydraulic units, hopefully that would be the case for you, of course this would also require changing the coupler. I looks like 8x6.5 lug pattern so a cheap set of steelies off a pickup in 16" flavor solves that problem. I've never had deck over so I can't offer any input on the axle vs deck width. If the money is right it certainly looks workable.
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As long as you keep the load balanced the axle width should not be an issue, you may get more lean in cornering. Surge brakes work fine if maintained but you should be able to replace with electric brakes if you want. You might want to add up all the costs for upgrades you want and decide if it is worth it. I would say it might be a bit on the short side for pick ups and low slung cars are going to have trouble loading.
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looks like a dually should haul it around just fine...I believe it will be heavy on the tongue but that's fine it should track good, looks like it might need a new jack but those are fairly cheap and for a grand and if you have a need it sounds like a good deal...
I drive a dually, so that is covered.

replacement jack is doable
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As long as you keep the load balanced the axle width should not be an issue, you may get more lean in cornering. This is my main concern, reason for posting on here.
Surge brakes work fine if maintained but you should be able to replace with electric brakes if you want.
Surge brakes not fully hooked up, never had fluid in the master.
You might want to add up all the costs for upgrades you want and decide if it is worth it.
If the axles are a useable width as is, and I'm only having to fix the brakes it makes it real doable.
I would say it might be a bit on the short side for pick ups and low slung cars are going to have trouble loading.
Most trucks should get the rear axle up on the flat part, if it has to stay on the dovetail, oh well. Not many low cars get hauled around here.
This is an addition to my fleet not a replacement for the car trailer.
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Is it factory built or home made? I wonder if it may have had dual wheels at some point? It just seems weird to me to have the wheels so far inside and it would bother the crap out of me looking at it and i would always be concerned about stability.
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Id rock it as is, excent for the jack
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Nope, couldnt give it to me.
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Old 01-13-2019, 02:34 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Is it factory built or home made? I wonder if it may have had dual wheels at some point? It just seems weird to me to have the wheels so far inside and it would bother the crap out of me looking at it and i would always be concerned about stability.
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Pretty sure never duallys. I think the guy got a set of narrow axles and just started building up from there.
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Probably worth the price.

The narrow frame is odd. I'd take a close look at the axles - uncommon to have the spring perches any further inboard than you have to because it increases stress on the axle tube considerably - going from the typical 6" or so to 12" double stress in the tube. With leaf springs I'd suspect someone customized the perches to match a frame, but with torsion it's more likely they came from the factory that way, though beats me why.

Torsion doesn't equalize and typically has less travel than leafs, so it's not going to follow rough terrain as well and any slope to the trailer (ie higher or lower than optimal ball height) will cause much more weight transfer. One of my horse trailers has torsion axles with about the same wheel base and lifting the nose 6" picks the front tires up off the ground.
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Buy it, if you hate it then sell it to some other schmuck for $1000
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Torsion doesn't equalize and typically has less travel than leafs, so it's not going to follow rough terrain as well and any slope to the trailer (ie higher or lower than optimal ball height) will cause much more weight transfer. One of my horse trailers has torsion axles with about the same wheel base and lifting the nose 6" picks the front tires up off the ground.
I don't like torsion axles for the reasons above. The trailer must be level when loaded and hitched up for the front and rear axle to be carrying the same weight. Not being level is a recipe for blowouts. It would be a PITA when using it for random loads instead of something you tow regularly and always load it the same.
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Old 01-15-2019, 06:00 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I would buy that for a grand
torsion axles suck. change that or it will kill tires. air bags would be sweet
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surge brakes and torsion axles would seem to point to boat trailer scavenged parts, but the big steel beams in the tongue a frame dont go with that. If you haven't seen it yet, i would double check under the deck to make sure its not a complete hack job cobbled together mess.

As others have said that breakover angle of the dovetail could probably hang up the rockers of most any car.

1k for a trailer that size is parked money; should be easy to get what you paid out of it if the sketch factor isnt off the charts.
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