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Old 09-08-2019, 11:28 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Medium duty tow rig advice needed

First time poster long time reader. I am looking at selling off my tundra for a larger crewcab think that is more capable of towing. I have been looking at a few internationals. 1 is a 2000, 4700 with work body, the T444e engine and an automatic transmission. The guy has 8 in stock with between 120k and 180k on the clock. The other truck is a 1997 4900 with a DT466E engine with 240k and a 9 speed eaton transmission, differential lock, engine brake and hydraulic system for the bed crane and hyrail equipment.

My plan is to take the work body off and put a flat bed on it to haul gear or and a generator depending on where we would be going and pull a 35 foot camper weighing in around 12,000 pounds. For the people that have these kind of vehicles what are issues to be looking out for?

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Old 09-08-2019, 11:47 AM   #2 (permalink)
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That 4700 with the T444e will have less power than your tundra and weigh a lot more. You need at least a 466
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Be very careful about dealing with Baskins in TN. I was talking to them about the 97 4900 and when I asked if it would pass a federal inspection I never heard from them again. Both of those trucks would require a CDL to tow a trailer with.
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Plan o swapping in an air ride rear if u want any kind of comfort.
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Plan o swapping in an air ride rear if u want any kind of comfort.
Yep... and it's not that hard.
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The T444E is a definite no. I am still working on trying to get enough power out of the 6.7 Cummins in my F750. There is a huge difference between it and my Cummins powered K30 pulling the same trailer. The F750 weighs 13,600 and the K30 weighs 8200.
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+1 on the 466 and manual trans.

Axle ratios can vary widely. The 4900 rolldeck the local repair shop has is 6.xx geared... vs the 4.10/4.88 in Freightliner FL70's I'm used to seeing.

Check your driver license rules carefully. Don't know the specifics in your state. Up here you can run a 5ton truck on a basic license so long as the trailer doesn't have air-brakes.
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466 at a minimum, bigger the better as far as I'm concerned.

180hp sucks balls when you weigh in at 24K.
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Electrolysis on the DT, unless you want to replace liners right away.
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I would avoid the "E" DT466. To many fuel system issue get a mechanical one mid 90's turn it up.

Also in most states towing more than 10k gross weight trailer is Class A territory any trailer. So call your local regulatory dept and see what you actually need license wise for what you're doing vs getting 18 million different opinions which mean shit for you vs actually what the law is in your state.
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I would avoid the "E" DT466. To many fuel system issue get a mechanical one mid 90's turn it up.

Also in most states towing more than 10k gross weight trailer is Class A territory any trailer. So call your local regulatory dept and see what you actually need license wise for what you're doing vs getting 18 million different opinions which mean shit for you vs actually what the law is in your state.
Unless the trailer is a camper - recreational vehicle etc.
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I would avoid the "E" DT466. To many fuel system issue get a mechanical one mid 90's turn it up.
Agreed. Granted, this batch of fleet vehicles isn't the correct vintage.

Recent events/revelations has me off the pursuit of a MDT. I'm better off with F450/550, 3500HD, etc. if I need to go heavier. (6BT swap regardless.) I can still pass it off as a 'pickup truck' for all intents and purposes.
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Unless the trailer is a camper - recreational vehicle etc.
And like I said depends on your state not true every where when running non CDL.

Arkansas for example.
Class A required: Any combination of vehicles with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 26,001 or more, providing that the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds. Minimum age 18. No spec for RV exempt only here.

So if even a pickup and trailer weight that are over 26001 gross total weight (both together) and trailer is sticker over 10k you need a class A. Which a MDT will easily be 15-20k gross weight (sticker) and his trailer is 12k so Class A territory. Tons of people get by with it in pickups here.
MDT won't be so easy to get by with. Like I said he needs to call and ask his regulatory division, what the law is in his state vs getting wrong info here as usual.
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Agreed. Granted, this batch of fleet vehicles isn't the correct vintage.

Recent events/revelations has me off the pursuit of a MDT. I'm better off with F450/550, 3500HD, etc. if I need to go heavier. (6BT swap regardless.) I can still pass it off as a 'pickup truck' for all intents and purposes.
Run a DT360. Cheaper than a cummins initially and way beefier will handle way more boost stock vs a cumpart. Usually find a running driving bus for cheap. Plus can run a MDT trans and not worry about it going out either. I was looking at a 450/550 chassis for tow rig flat bed, but I think I am just going to get a 466 MDT, the extra capacity would be worth it to not have to worry.
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Be very careful about dealing with Baskins in TN. I was talking to them about the 97 4900 and when I asked if it would pass a federal inspection I never heard from them again. Both of those trucks would require a CDL to tow a trailer with.
That is what I was worried about
I have emailed them a few times and didn't get much from them. Also was worried if it would make it back to Ohio, I would hate to be headed home and it crap out on me.

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I am used to now having much horse power, I have a m35a2 , and towing my generator behind it gets slow from time to time. I am looking to use this to pull a camper and a skid steer or other equipment from time to time for the house or out to our land. Doing the air suspension upgrade would be pretty straight forward, we have a truck wrecking yard about 30 miles north of us near dayton ohio.

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Air ride is the only way an RV will survive behind it. A sprung truck will beat an RV to pieces quickly.
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Air ride is the only way an RV will survive behind it. A sprung truck will beat an RV to pieces quickly.
Agreed. My K30 rides on the helpers and has damaged my enclosed trailer. The front panel has buckeled and cracked. That is with loading the buggy all the way to the rear.
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That is what I was worried about
I have emailed them a few times and didn't get much from them. Also was worried if it would make it back to Ohio, I would hate to be headed home and it crap out on me.
Fleet sales are what they are, and typically sold as-is. Same with repo places... you won't get a guarantee on anything.

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Run a DT360. Cheaper than a cummins initially and way beefier will handle way more boost stock vs a cumpart. Usually find a running driving bus for cheap. Plus can run a MDT trans and not worry about it going out either. I was looking at a 450/550 chassis for tow rig flat bed, but I think I am just going to get a 466 MDT, the extra capacity would be worth it to not have to worry.
Not around here... island life. A clapped out D250 or 2ndgen has been the most most obtainable diesel donor for me (v8 diesels don't count. ) Commercial rate on the ferry system starts at 5500kg (~11,000#) and it gets spendy... F450/550 stuff can usually get personal pickup truck rate.
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