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Old 06-08-2019, 11:30 AM   #13151 (permalink)
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That's a lot of weight for an IDI, I'm sure the trailer with the rig, mower, spare parts and tools in the rig was at least 10k. The camper is 1500 dry and was full of stuff, the pickup itself is between 5500 and 6k.
Not so much the weight the IDI hates, more the aero...
I have an 87 F350 CCLB 4x4 SRW Custom (so it's STRIPPED). It was an ex USAF truck so it has a slip in it certifying it to fly as cargo. It lists the hazardous materials in the truck, but also the weight. My truck is listed as weighing 5300 lbs. I'm hoping the Air Force would put more effort into finding the trucks weight than getting it from the MFR sticker, but I guess I shouldn't assume that.

So in a round about way, I guess I'm saying that truck probably doesn't weight 5500 lbs empty.
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That video reminds me why I don't like bumper pull trailers.
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Old 06-10-2019, 07:22 AM   #13153 (permalink)
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I have an 87 F350 CCLB 4x4 SRW Custom (so it's STRIPPED). It was an ex USAF truck so it has a slip in it certifying it to fly as cargo. It lists the hazardous materials in the truck, but also the weight. My truck is listed as weighing 5300 lbs. I'm hoping the Air Force would put more effort into finding the trucks weight than getting it from the MFR sticker, but I guess I shouldn't assume that.

So in a round about way, I guess I'm saying that truck probably doesn't weight 5500 lbs empty.
That is what comes to mind from my trips across the scales at the scrap yard.
I'm going to be hauling a load of scrap soon, so I'll confirm it.
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Old 06-10-2019, 07:23 AM   #13154 (permalink)
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That is what comes to mind from my trips across the scales at the scrap yard.
I'm going to be hauling a load of scrap soon, so I'll confirm it.
Yes please post back! I'm a ways away from driving mine, but I'd love to have an idea what it will weigh. Makes alot of difference in payload and max trailer weight ratings.
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That is what comes to mind from my trips across the scales at the scrap yard.
I'm going to be hauling a load of scrap soon, so I'll confirm it.
A SCLB '94 F150 with me, a few chains and tools behind the seat and one full tank of gas scales at 48xx. That's with 4wd, the 300 and the E4OD.

5300lb empty seems about right for an extra row of seats, a slightly thicker frame and a 10.25 over the 8.8 assuming a 351 and there's nothing in the truck and the gas tanks are empty.
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Yes, truck was a 351/C6 and carbed, so not much wiring. Although it had TWO smog pumps LOL.
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Yes, truck was a 351/C6 and carbed, so not much wiring. Although it had TWO smog pumps LOL.
Probably because they knew it would spend most of it's life idling.
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From my understanding, 87 was first year of EFI, but the 1 ton's were holdouts (probably to sus out long term reliability issues?). I'm assuming the 2 smog pumps were to try to get it to pass emissions with the carb.

But maybe the 2 smog pumps was some special order option for a fleet vehicle that would idle a long time. Seems to make sense.
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From my understanding, 87 was first year of EFI, but the 1 ton's were holdouts (probably to sus out long term reliability issues?). I'm assuming the 2 smog pumps were to try to get it to pass emissions with the carb.

But maybe the 2 smog pumps was some special order option for a fleet vehicle that would idle a long time. Seems to make sense.
460's and 351w's got Carbs in 1987 in anything they were available in from 1/2 to 1 ton. I've seen dual smog pumps on Windsors and 460's before, could it be a 50 state emissions thing?

My 92 RCLB 4x4 F-150 300/ZF is in the 4700# range

I'm going to stick to my estimate/memory of 5.5k+ for my RCLB 4x4 1 ton IDI/5speed, but we'll see next time I'm on the scale.
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I agree with the last page. Its dumb to tow with a 80-96 ford despite its factory options.
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I never would have guessed that the trailer would tip that way.


Shortbed truck, 16k backhoe, 6k trailer on a pintle hitch. What could go wrong
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I agree with the last page. Its dumb to tow with a 80-96 ford despite its factory options.
Yeah because in the 80's the highways were littered with carnage as a result.

Just drive like you have some sense.

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[QUOTE Just drive like you have some sense. [/QUOTE]

Good luck with that
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Old 06-11-2019, 09:02 PM   #13165 (permalink)
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Watching that video a few times, and also having hauled a few backhoes in my day. I see two major flaws... Its way to far back on the trailer, and you can see the boom wagging to the side.
Even with the bucket chained down, any slop in the boom(basicly any backhoe used enough to wear the paint off the bucket) will cause a HUGE amount of sway on a bumper pull trailer. I always strap the boom to take any swing out of it, and the difference is night and day..
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I agree with the last page. Its dumb to tow with a 80-96 ford despite its factory options.
meh.. 30K lb's, with all 3 on there It did ok for 20 miles of 2 lane..

I also did a 600 mile round trip across three states with only the rear two rigs on it(26K on the scale at the shop), It would run 65 on the 4 lane @9mpg.. handled and drove great, brakes were non existent...
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should have put the first two rigs on backwards so you didnt have 15k on the rear axle
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should have put the first two rigs on backwards so you didnt have 15k on the rear axle
just toss some airbags on the back to get the weight on the front axle, if your understanding of geometry is that of a toddler
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just toss some airbags on the back to get the weight on the front axle, if your understanding of geometry is that of a toddler
Raising the rear with a GN or 5th wheel trailer that's basically directly over the rear axle will put a more weight on the front because as you raise the rear of the truck the load moves about the front axle.

Sure it's not an appreciable amount, but it's something.
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pounds and pounds! if it sags badly enough, maybe even tens of pounds. But I doubt it.
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I should put 'uses black text' in my user title
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arse is right. technically.

I bet it moves ounces every time.
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Dude, I quoted your black text on purpose.
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Beside feeling like the truck was going to break in half, the 2TR-FE did fine with dirty 5's and 4.88's. 14k Equipment trailer and a 4,200lbs car. Low range was required to reverse.





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Beside feeling like the truck was going to break in half, the 2TR-FE did fine with dirty 5's and 4.88's. 14k Equipment trailer and a 4,200lbs car. Low range was required to reverse.
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