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Old 05-11-2014, 09:42 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Probalby no way to prevent this but....

I know this isn't a true F-Toy but felt I would get better advice in this forum rather than in the general Toy forum from full body guys.

In case there is and i'm missing it....any way to make this stronger so this doesn't happen again?

I mean besides not running it into shit.

Tube is supposed to be straight in the middle there.





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Take the skin off and take a side pic. It doesn't look like you have much bracing.
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Take the skin off and take a side pic. It doesn't look like you have much bracing.
I can't think of any way to brace it from getting bent inward.

I think when I cut it out, i'll put another sleeve of heavy wall inside it and do the other side as a preventive measure.
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You can't see all of it in the picture but it's much like this....(not mine)



This is mine, driver's side, unbent side.


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It just looks like the bend was directly between the supports. Shorter spans are stiffer.
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Old 05-11-2014, 04:19 PM   #6 (permalink)
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you can see in that ftoy pic that the good looking guy is in, the span is pretty large and yours is the same way. i dont have any measurements in front of me.

what most ftoys do, is put a cross tube, 1' back from where the a pillar comes down.

like frank said, just try to make the span as small as possible is really all you can do.

we all been down this road before. good call coming to this forum for advice on the subject

i will see if i can find a pic
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haha. i found pics of me doing the same repair that you are gonna have to do. mike hendrix in the pic here sporting the sawzall





and here it is after the fix. terrible picture of the tubes added. but you can see i added a small b pillar. at that point, there is a 1.75" 120 wall tube running the accross to the other side.

it looks like you totally have room to span another x bar in your cab.

the next x tube is right behind the seats. i bet the space is 3'. you get the idea.

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haha. i found pics of me doing the same repair that you are gonna have to do. mike hendrix in the pic here sporting the sawzall

and here it is after the fix. terrible picture of the tubes added. but you can see i added a small b pillar. at that point, there is a 1.75" 120 wall tube running the accross to the other side.

it looks like you totally have room to span another x bar in your cab.

the next x tube is right behind the seats. i bet the space is 3'. you get the idea.
I do have a X with a line through it (typical shoulder height with harnesses mounted to it) behind the seats.

I think i'm going to replace it and see if I can sleeve the inside with another tube and add that B pillar you put in yours.
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I do have a X with a line through it (typical shoulder height with harnesses mounted to it) behind the seats.

I think i'm going to replace it and see if I can sleeve the inside with another tube and add that B pillar you put in yours.
oh i didnt mean the X shape. i meant x for cross. on mine, there is actually a tube crossing at the b pillar. (right above the V in valley on the side} if you look at it from the outside you would think that it would hit your legs but it doesnt actually in application.



in this image here, at the first vertical pillar, you could run a tube from side to side on the inside of your cab and that would strengthen that span by like 10x cuz that dent is about where the tube would be and it wouldnt of dented hardly at all if that interior tube had been there whether it was sleeved or not.
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oh i didnt mean the X shape. i meant x for cross. on mine, there is actually a tube crossing at the b pillar. (right above the V in valley on the side} if you look at it from the outside you would think that it would hit your legs but it doesnt actually in application.

in this image here, at the first vertical pillar, you could run a tube from side to side on the inside of your cab and that would strengthen that span by like 10x cuz that dent is about where the tube would be and it wouldnt of dented hardly at all if that interior tube had been there whether it was sleeved or not.
I really appreciate the input and the lack of flaming.....but my brain is just not comprehending what you are getting at. LOL

Must be that it's the last 3 weeks of school and my brain is in overdrive writing final exams for my students and end of the year paperwork.

Got a pic of this bar you have?
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Oh wait...I think I get it.

I'll have to look and see if that will interfere with my shifter. That bar would give me a place to mount a oh shit bar also since I don't have one yet.
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Oh wait...I think I get it.

I'll have to look and see if that will interfere with my shifter. That bar would give me a place to mount a oh shit bar also since I don't have one yet.
yep, thats it. i had to bend my shifter back a bit. and yes its convient too. you can mount radios on it or handles because its in reach. i wish i had done it the first time around.
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yep, thats it. i had to bend my shifter back a bit. and yes its convient too. you can mount radios on it or handles because its in reach. i wish i had done it the first time around.
Probably would have got in the way of your sweet pedal assembly!

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So plan is a B pillar with a brace to the dash somehow. Replacing the tube and putting a heavier wall sleeve inside it. And possibly running a bar from the outside of the front of the bend to the bar that my shock mounts to. If you get what I mean there.

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Probably would have got in the way of your sweet pedal assembly!

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how about a tube from hood line to the belt line tube. should miss your knee and add some triangulation and might blend in to the tube work
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What tubing is your rig built from? We had some light silver colored DOM once from Taiwan that would bend and dent really easy. I like that dark colored tubing better.
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I like that dark colored tubing better.
thats what i heard about you
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Didn't fully read the whole thread, but I saw you mention sleeving the repair area. Maybe run a new door bar in 1.75 x .188" DOM and replace the 1" up-right bracing with 1.5 x .125 or .188. It just seems like the bracing is pretty light (from my computer...)
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Id like to see more pics of this unit.
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What tubing is your rig built from? We had some light silver colored DOM once from Taiwan that would bend and dent really easy. I like that dark colored tubing better.
No idea...just DOM from a metal shop. I would have to pull out the reciept for any more info than that.
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