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Old 12-02-2006, 07:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Spec tire for F-toys??

I searched but didn't find anything on this. If someone finds a thread i'll delete this one.

This will likely not be popular question but has anyone considered a spec tire for the Ftoy class? It's obvious that the guys with sticky tires have an advantage in most conditions. The price for these tires is a bit high though. 2 different sizes of say the Irok would be cool and these are way less expensive and easier to obtain than Red Label Krawlers or the like. If putting everyone on a level playing field is the objective then I think this deserves consideration.
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If you are competing it is pretty easy to get racer prices for tires and not that hard to get free ones from some companies.
I think in the future there we might be able to get a tire sponsor for the class. This would mean that everyone competing in the full series would get tires (free or big discount) and everyone would run the same tire.
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If you are competing it is pretty easy to get racer prices for tires and not that hard to get free ones from some companies.
I think in the future there we might be able to get a tire sponsor for the class. This would mean that everyone competing in the full series would get tires (free or big discount) and everyone would run the same tire.
That sounds good.

I wasn't that concerned about price but more with equally equiped vehicles.
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ya tires can be a pretty big advantage. if we got a tires sponsor, then it would be a pain in the butt to get everyone to run it, because what if it was tires that only came in 17" wheels? and what if some folks didnt want to run them but the tire sponsor required them to....either way, not everyone would be happy, even with free tires. but thats the norm in racing so whatever. tire companies dont nesecarily want to sponosor a whole class, they want to see their tire beat the other tires out there. if we all run one tire, then no tire lost, so to speak.

that said, you can scrounge some 15's and cheep SX's for under a grand, but the guy with 4k can get some nice 17's and krawlers...so there is a big money difference and performance difference.

but luckily to kill the whole debate is the fact that this year, i won the whole championship, with 15's and cheap DOT goodyear MTR's from tirerack.com......hahahahahaha


(side note, next year i am bringin it with red label krawlers and 17" alum wheels)
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Old 12-02-2006, 08:40 PM   #6 (permalink)
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ya tires can be a pretty big advantage. if we got a tires sponsor, then it would be a pain in the butt to get everyone to run it, because what if it was tires that only came in 17" wheels? and what if some folks didnt want to run them but the tire sponsor required them to....either way, not everyone would be happy, even with free tires. but thats the norm in racing so whatever. tire companies dont nesecarily want to sponosor a whole class, they want to see their tire beat the other tires out there. if we all run one tire, then no tire lost, so to speak.

that said, you can scrounge some 15's and cheep SX's for under a grand, but the guy with 4k can get some nice 17's and krawlers...so there is a big money difference and performance difference.

but luckily to kill the whole debate is the fact that this year, i won the whole championship, with 15's and cheap DOT goodyear MTR's from tirerack.com......hahahahahaha


(side note, next year i am bringin it with red label krawlers and 17" alum wheels)
Good point.

I'm running what I got, 37 MTRs, 38 sx's or 40 Iroks until those get assed out then maybe I can save up for some stickys.
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Good point.

I'm running what I got, 37 MTRs, 38 sx's or 40 Iroks until those get assed out then maybe I can save up for some stickys.

for west coast wheelin, i vote MTR's or SX's if you sipe up real good like heywoods.
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for west coast wheelin, i vote MTR's or SX's if you sipe up real good like heywoods.
Out here the Iroks win for trail riding. Not sure about comps as i've only seen one and that was Spartanburg and it was manmade so the MTRs would probably work well there. Since I have them all i'll probably swap around depending on conditions.
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I think redlabels should be against the rules.... now thats an advantage $ or knowing someone can get you.
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not trying to make waves. But after a year and a half of comps with Irocs I had a chance to try some stickey tires (interco brand) and belive me I will have some for 07 providing we dont go to a spec tire. Now if T.G. will get their wheels in we,ll be all set.

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fwiw (and this is from an "outsider")....


a spec tire would not be a good idea in my honest opinion. while the f-toy class is about evening the odds as much as possible, tires should be driver choice. at least with the f-toys, I've seen all kinds of tires competing and winning. pro-comps, mtrs, swampers, bfgs, etc.

it's a gamble choosin which tire to run. in some terrains the sticky crawlers work best, while some terrains a bias iroc will work a little better. leave it up to the driver to choose which one they wanna run and play the odds.

at least from what i've seen of competitions (CalRocs, We-Rock, coupla Pro-rock, and one UROC) while tire choice plays an important role it does NOT make up for bad driving or bad vehicle prep.
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Knowing that tire selection is a big deal I have to say that D-Toy and I had really good tires and wheels (Interco Sticky's with Pro Comp 17's and Staun Internal Beadlocks) and we still got smoked by Hobie with the worst fricking tires (37"x12.50"x15" MTR's) in the history of crawling. What does that say about tires to you...
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Knowing that tire selection is a big deal I have to say that D-Toy and I had really good tires and wheels (Interco Sticky's with Pro Comp 17's and Staun Internal Beadlocks) and we still got smoked by Hobie with the worst fricking tires (37"x12.50"x15" MTR's) in the history of crawling. What does that say about tires to you...
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Knowing that tire selection is a big deal I have to say that D-Toy and I had really good tires and wheels (Interco Sticky's with Pro Comp 17's and Staun Internal Beadlocks) and we still got smoked by Hobie with the worst fricking tires (37"x12.50"x15" MTR's) in the history of crawling. What does that say about tires to you...
Shhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiish............don't say that to loud, some on here (99%, ie: the shit talking webwheeling P.C.E.s) think the tire is 99% of why a rig wins a comp, or makes a hill etc
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Shhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiish............don't say that to loud, some on here (99%, ie: the shit talking webwheeling P.C.E.s) think the tire is 99% of why a rig wins a comp, or makes a hill etc

I wouldn't say 99% but if it didn't give any advantage why is everyone in competive rock crawling jumping on the chance to run em? I like my SX's but even grooved and siped they aren't the stickiest tires...

So for those of us out of country or out of the main rockcrawling areas...anyone willing to give us some contact info or the information needed so we can get competetor pricing on some sticky's?
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Ok so what does the BOD think?
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Ok so what does the BOD think?
BOD says any tire on the market...
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What tires you gonna use in 07 ?

Never mind I read the small print. Seems such a waste to get rid of those mtr's that worked so good. Maybe the champ get Red Labels free?

I have seen a few sets of used Red Labels and have heard these tires work just as well worn down as new so maybe i'll go that route. Probably just wait and see if I get my ass handed to me because of my tires then i'll spend the money. Probaly not what's gonna gonna get me beat at first anyway.
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What tires you gonna use in 07 ?

Never mind I read the small print. Seems such a waste to get rid of those mtr's that worked so good. Maybe the champ get Red Labels free?

I have seen a few sets of used Red Labels and have heard these tires work just as well worn down as new so maybe i'll go that route. Probably just wait and see if I get my ass handed to me because of my tires then i'll spend the money. Probaly not what's gonna gonna get me beat at first anyway.
I hear the champ is doing all kinds of upgrades to his rig to offset his spotter leaving.

As for the sticky crawlers, yes they work better when there worn in. My experiance with them showed me that they need to be below 80% to really start working there best.
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I hear the champ is doing all kinds of upgrades to his rig to offset his spotter leaving.

As for the sticky crawlers, yes they work better when there worn in. My experiance with them showed me that they need to be below 80% to really start working there best.

that is real interesting!

cause most the stickies sold in the 4sale section here are at 70-80%, looks like the sellers getting rid of them right when they are starting to work there best maybe they don't know any better

do you need to get them smokin hot to work best????
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Some of the teams in the pro mod and unlimited classess shave the edges off the tires before they ever run them. I won't need to because one weekend at the hammers takes care of all the edges . I'll be running the hammers for practice. So the tires will be right in the 80% range by the first comp.
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Nah! I just got excited watching all the pro's at worlds
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I thought I saw a twinkle in your eyes everytime you did one At first I thought I was the lighting now I know better . BTW did you get your new comp rig yet ??
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