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Old 01-15-2007, 08:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Thinking about building an F-toy for comp. Have questions...

I have a good 22rte, is this allowed. I really dont want to get rid of this motor. I also have a set of FJ80 axles, are these allowed? Thanks for any info, the rules aren't clear enough.
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I have a good 22rte, is this allowed. I really dont want to get rid of this motor. I also have a set of FJ80 axles, are these allowed? Thanks for any info, the rules aren't clear enough.
No to the 80 axles.

The rules are so clear it's laughable.
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the rules aren't clear enough.

here, i copied this straight from the rules.


Toyota 20r, 21ru ,22r, 22re engines are allowed


Front Axle
Front axle must be from 1979 - 1985 Toyota Pickup or 4Runner


Rear Axle
Rear axle must be from 1979 - 1995 Toyota Pickup or 4Runner



....doesnt say turbo is allowed. and it doesnt say anything about FJ's....so no, according to the rules neither the motor you have or axles are legal.
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I have a good 22rte, is this allowed. I really dont want to get rid of this motor. I also have a set of FJ80 axles, are these allowed? Thanks for any info, the rules aren't clear enough.
I went through this getting started and the best advice I got was to start from a bare frame. Then add a 22re and tranny, then cases, then a straight axle front and ifs rear, wire it, plumb it, safety it up then compete. Seriously, the rules are backward to most motorsports, the rules state what you can do, not what you can't, so like the intro to them says:

"If the rules say you CAN do it...then you can do it. If the rules don't address a particular modification, you can assume it's not going to be permitted."

I'm doing what I wrote, with a print out of the rules hanging from the tool box. Don't let the smarta$$ remarks run you off this really is the best class to get into if you want to compete and have fun but don't want a fortune in your ride or hobby in general. Most of the guys on here are shall we say witty with their remarks but are helpful when you ask build questions.

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Thanks for the info. I guess I just need to be told NO.
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Thanks for the info. I guess I just need to be told NO.
Don't sweat it man it felt funny to me at first as well but if you hang around here long enough or go to a comp it'll be more clear. Just get a chassis and start building but don't think you're gonna build a rig that'll beat everybody else. It's mostly driver and spotter.
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In my case its mostly spotter cause I drive with my eyes closed
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don't think you're gonna build a rig that'll beat everybody else. It's mostly driver and spotter.


i think we need tshirts with that on there. no matter how many times i have told people that, i find out later that they are trying to do something sneaky that they think will make their buggy win comps.

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Don't sweat it man it felt funny to me at first as well but if you hang around here long enough or go to a comp it'll be more clear. Just get a chassis and start building but don't think you're gonna build a rig that'll beat everybody else. It's mostly driver and spotter.
Thats what interests me in competing in this class. Its a competition of skills, not a competition of money. This will be my third yota build now. I was going to do an 84 pickup but now I want to compete, so f-toy is the way to go. The axles I can do without and the motor I can do without, but I still would want more power than a stock 22r or re. I take a few trips a year to the snow, and you guys all know that that a little extra power is hole lot more fun in the snow. I dont see a turbo motor being much of an advantage in rock crawling. Is there any f-toys with performance upgrades?
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Thats what interests me in competing in this class. Its a competition of skills, not a competition of money. This will be my third yota build now. I was going to do an 84 pickup but now I want to compete, so f-toy is the way to go. The axles I can do without and the motor I can do without, but I still would want more power than a stock 22r or re. I take a few trips a year to the snow, and you guys all know that that a little extra power is hole lot more fun in the snow. I dont see a turbo motor being much of an advantage in rock crawling. Is there any f-toys with performance upgrades?
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Thats what interests me in competing in this class. Its a competition of skills, not a competition of money. This will be my third yota build now. I was going to do an 84 pickup but now I want to compete, so f-toy is the way to go. The axles I can do without and the motor I can do without, but I still would want more power than a stock 22r or re. I take a few trips a year to the snow, and you guys all know that that a little extra power is hole lot more fun in the snow. I dont see a turbo motor being much of an advantage in rock crawling. Is there any f-toys with performance upgrades?
here's a huge post about how different motors are built....

https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=542881

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Is there any f-toys with performance upgrades?

LC and DOA .... of course you can raise the compression, cam, exhaust....i just had a motor built, but really to stock specs...cam and exhaust are on it and thats it. it has alot more torque than my other carb motor did for sure.
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Those are the more expensive routes that i was trying to avoid. I was going to throw a $400 turbo, a set of arp head studs, and propane on my motor, and call it good. basically the same setup the guys at got propane have, around 150 hp. Thats just enough for me. I really wish this was allowed. Seems like the rules on performce upgrades should be all or nothing. It should limit all performce upgrades or none at all. Or maybe just a limit on how much horsepower and torque you can have. This is frustrating!

On a different note I have some other questions. Do you guys run wheel spacers on the front to match the rear width? Is there wheel base limitations? Is there limits on how high or low you can mount your chassis to frame?
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This is the sort of thing that made me say the rules aren't clear enough. If a particular modifiction isn't mentioned assume its not legal. cam and exhaust is not mentioned yet there are f-toys with these mods. So who's making the rules and whos bending them???
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Is there wheel base limitations? Is there limits on how high or low you can mount your chassis to frame?
no and nope
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So who's making the rules and whos bending them???

i make the rules and i bend them


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This is the sort of thing that made me say the rules aren't clear enough. If a particular modifiction isn't mentioned assume its not legal. cam and exhaust is not mentioned yet there are f-toys with these mods. So who's making the rules and whos bending them???
All engines have cams and exhausts but they don't all have turbos. I think the rules are clear on this. Like I said just hang around for a while, look and listen, but don't say much and it'll come to you. Remember the rules were made to simplify the class. Think simple. Have you wheeled a buggy before? It weighs a lot less than a truck so the power of a .040 over, cam'd, and exhausted? 22re is plenty. I've been playin a bit with mine and even with the auto trans it has more power (engine new and not even broken in yet) than my hopped up re engine in my 4runner.
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All engines have cams and exhausts but they don't all have turbos. I think the rules are clear on this.
A modification is a modifiction. These aren't addressed so they arent legal, if you want to get technical. But im not sweating it. I just dont want to do these mods. I want a turbo damb it!
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Remember the rules were made to simplify the class. Think simple. Have you wheeled a buggy before? It weighs a lot less than a truck so the power of a .040 over, cam'd, and exhausted? 22re is plenty.
I do think simple, but I also think inexpensive. No I havent wheeled a buggy, Its time for something different.
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Oh ya, wheel spacers?
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Oh ya, wheel spacers?

most people run wheel spaces. though the spacer strategy of most builders doesnt have to do with the keeping the width of the front and rear the same. the only reason i have spacers in the front, is because, with 37's, my tires run into the leaf springs too much if i dont have spacers. depending on your wheel/tire combination, get a spacer that will allow you to turn all the way to your desired turning point.

if you considering comps, most people try to keep the rig narrow as could be.
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But im not sweating it. I just dont want to do these mods. I want a turbo damb it!
So basicly you think the rules are lame because you can't use the parts you already have laying around
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I do think simple, but I also think inexpensive.
So sell the turbo motor, and buy a 22re or 22r. You'll be money ahead and we won't have to listen to your whining any more.
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