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Old 02-24-2015, 01:36 PM   #101 (permalink)
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You didn't muddy the water at all! I'm always open to listening to other opinions. I know I don't know everything! I will check with AA again. I know they have a bracket to mount the Toyota slave to the GM bell housing, but it looks like it would be super easy to make. This is a super-budget build, so I'm trying to save as much $$ as I can. If I can do some searching for used parts that will work, that is what I will do!

As for the trans, I'm going with an SM465 because that is what I have. I bought the 40 with a F, SM465, 205 "crawl box", and 3-spd LC case. I'm just replacing the engine for a SBC... At least for now.
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According to this page, you should be able to use AA's NV4500 bellhousing on your rig. It is a pretty comprehensive setup. I just ordered a slave cylinder bracket for my son's rig that will allow a Land Cruiser slave to actuate the NV4500 clutch behind his 292 (same setup as an SBC). I would call them to ensure this bellhousing will bolt up to the SM465, but the site seems to show that it will.

Here's the bracket: p/n 716288

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Thanks for searching that out for me!
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Happy to be of "help". God knows I use you guys enough around here...
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Old 03-09-2015, 02:55 PM   #105 (permalink)
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Saturday my wife and I brought home the 40's "new" engine! It's a Gen 1 SBC 350. According to the date code, I believe it was built in 1976. It came with the first generation of Holly ProJection, a healthy cam, Elderbrock Performer intake manifold, etc... I've started the cleaning process and will be putting new gaskets on it and painting it red.



Now I really need to find a GM truck bell housing!
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Old 03-14-2015, 04:24 PM   #106 (permalink)
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I have a brand new bracket in the package I may let go.
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Bracket for what? (Sorry, I'm a little slow today...)
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Looks to be a cruiser slave cylinder bracket from AA
716288 : Land Cruiser Slave Cylinder Bracket (for use with Advance Adapters NV4500 bellhousings) | Advance Adapters
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It's the bracket I gave you a link to earlier in your thread. I bought one thinking I had the wrong bracket on my transmission and don't want to return it/pay restocking fee/etc...in fact, I may sell the transmission/bellhousing/3speed tcase if you're interested. It will bolt right up to a V8. I'm thinking of getting rid of the 292/NV4500/3 speed case in the kid's rig and dropping in a 5.3/4L60E/split case. Let me know if you're interested. I may even make the drive up to OR in the not-so-distant future.
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Oh, that bracket! Yeah, I would be interested in that. Just PM me a price.
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Wow, this just shows how little I have been working on this thing... Big changes have happen in both my job and at home, so the 40 got placed on the back burner. That will change soon, though! I need wrench therapy. The engine is almost ready to be mated up to the rest of the drive train, so I will get some pics up soon.

I do have a questions that I have been pondering and I figured I would ask for some advice. The SBC I bought for my 40 came with the 1st generation, analog Holley Pro-Jection. Everyone knows that injection system is very hard to tune and kinda sucks, but it is fuel injection. My question is do I spend the extra money and time to get the Pro-Jection dialed in as best I can or do I sell it and buy a Truck Avenger carb (which I have had very good luck with in the past)?

Pros for Pro-Jection:
* Fuel injected (quick starts and no stalling)
* Fuel system would already be set up for TBI (for when I upgrade)

Cons for Pro-Jection:
* Need to put an O2 sensor in the exhaust
* Very hard to tune and set up right
* Fuel system will be expensive to plumb up (EFI lines, special pump, special filter, etc.)
* Wiring... Oh the wiring...

Pros for Truck Avenger:
* Very simple to set up and work on
* Very little wiring
* Less expensive fuel system with more parts availabity

Cons for Truck Avenger:
* Won't run as good on angles as FI
* Not as cool as FI

What do you guys think I should do? Huh As a reminder, this is a 1976 4-bolt main 350 with stock heads, Edelbrock Performer manifold, block hugger headers, and a big ol cam.
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Wow, this just shows how little I have been working on this thing... Big changes have happen in both my job and at home, so the 40 got placed on the back burner. That will change soon, though! I need wrench therapy. The engine is almost ready to be mated up to the rest of the drive train, so I will get some pics up soon.

I do have a questions that I have been pondering and I figured I would ask for some advice. The SBC I bought for my 40 came with the 1st generation, analog Holley Pro-Jection. Everyone knows that injection system is very hard to tune and kinda sucks, but it is fuel injection. My question is do I spend the extra money and time to get the Pro-Jection dialed in as best I can or do I sell it and buy a Truck Avenger carb (which I have had very good luck with in the past)?

Pros for Pro-Jection:
* Fuel injected (quick starts and no stalling)
* Fuel system would already be set up for TBI (for when I upgrade)

Cons for Pro-Jection:
* Need to put an O2 sensor in the exhaust
* Very hard to tune and set up right
* Fuel system will be expensive to plumb up (EFI lines, special pump, special filter, etc.)
* Wiring... Oh the wiring...

Pros for Truck Avenger:
* Very simple to set up and work on
* Very little wiring
* Less expensive fuel system with more parts availabity

Cons for Truck Avenger:
* Won't run as good on angles as FI
* Not as cool as FI

What do you guys think I should do? Huh As a reminder, this is a 1976 4-bolt main 350 with stock heads, Edelbrock Performer manifold, block hugger headers, and a big ol cam.
Why not get a TBI unit and instal that? The projection is probably the single WORST FI setups ever. I had one in an old buggy. It never ran right, and had this uncanny ability to adjust itself whenever it felt like it.

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Grab this up and toss it on there. If you can get a set of vortec heads, I bet it would kick ass.

https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/misc-...50-intake.html

I also saw that NV4500 clutch slave bracket tonight and thought of you. If you still want it, send me an address and I'll get iout to you. I'll just let you know the total after I ship it. It's still in the original box it came from AA in and sealed plastic bag.

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Why not get a TBI unit and instal that? The projection is probably the single WORST FI setups ever. I had one in an old buggy. It never ran right, and had this uncanny ability to adjust itself whenever it felt like it.

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Mainly because of lack of funds. I just need to get it on the trail. I'm thinking of getting it running on the ProJection and then upgrading the TBI system later down the road.

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Grab this up and toss it on there. If you can get a set of vortec heads, I bet it would kick ass.

https://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/misc-...50-intake.html

I also saw that NV4500 clutch slave bracket tonight and thought of you. If you still want it, send me an address and I'll get iout to you. I'll just let you know the total after I ship it. It's still in the original box it came from AA in and sealed plastic bag.
I wish I had the money to spend!

And I completely forgot about that bracket... I'm sure that we have gone over this, but does that work for a SM465 with an aluminum bellhousing?
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It bolts up to the SBC bell housing bolt pattern, but I'm not sure it will work with your clutch configuration. You'll definitely need a short throw clutch setup to use the Toyota slave cylinder. I'll tell you what...send me your address and pay for shipping, and I'll send it your way. If you can use it, pay me for the part...if you can't, then either send it back to me, or I'll look to get it back from you later. It's not doing anyone any good collecting dust in my garage.

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I have to chime in and recommend ditching that motor. I messed with a gen 1 for years in my wheeler, sell it and get a 5.3 you will be much happier.
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It bolts up to the SBC bell housing bolt pattern, but I'm not sure it will work with your clutch configuration. You'll definitely need a short throw clutch setup to use the Toyota slave cylinder. I'll tell you what...send me your address and pay for shipping, and I'll send it your way. If you can use it, pay me for the part...if you can't, then either send it back to me, or I'll look to get it back from you later. It's not doing anyone any good collecting dust in my garage.
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I have to chime in and recommend ditching that motor. I messed with a gen 1 for years in my wheeler, sell it and get a 5.3 you will be much happier.
Find me a 5.3 and I'll trade you straight across for my Gen 1... That is the only way I can afford to do that at this time. I would love to go LS/auto/Atlas at some point, but for now I just want to be back on the trail.
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I know hoy you feel about getting it on the trail. I hope you have better luck than I had.
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The engine was running on this ProJection when pulled. I bought it all as a package. It wasn't running perfect, but it did pretty well. I think it will work for now. (Hopefully)
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Old 01-11-2016, 04:42 PM   #121 (permalink)
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Wow, I have really been slacking on this thread! Well, I guess I have been slacking on the project too…


So here is your long overdue update! The engine is ready to come off the stand and be mated to the SM465. Personally, I think she looks pretty good. I can’t wait to see it surrounded by Smurf Blue.







Also for your listening enjoyment, here is a link to the engine running before it was sold by the previous owner: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v...909772&fref=nf

After all of the turmoil the end of 2015 threw me, I am off to a new start and this 40 is now a lot higher on my priority list.
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Well I got a little work done on the 40 last night! I decided it was time to get the engine off the stand for the first time in over a year...

Once it was hanging from the hoist, I was able to replace the flexplate with a new flywheel, install the clutch I got from dirtgypse, and cover it up with an aluminum bell housing my Dad found for me forever ago.



After a quick call to my neighbor to help, I was able to get the trans and cases bolted up. It actually went a lot smoother than I thought it would, but man that is a heavy combo!



Next I need to finish cutting off the original frame mounts, slide (lift... force... etc) everything between the rails and start building mounts.
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I have the OEM TBI too on the trial for 20 years and it works great.
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I'm going to get it running on the ProJection and see if I can get it dialed in. If not, I will probably go with OEM TBI. I just don't know how long this engine is going to be in the 40. Once I'm done with everything else, I will probably start saving up for an LS or TPI crate motor.
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Well I know it doesn't look like much, but I got the frame prepped and finished up the few little things on the engine. That means she is ready to get located! I need to fill up the gas for my welder, grab some steel, order up the engine mounts, and set a work party!

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